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Presidents Bush, Toledo Hold Press Conference
Aired March 23, 2002 - 17:56 ET
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CATHERINE CALLAWAY, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone, I'm Catherine Callaway in Atlanta. We're going to take you now live to Lima, Peru, where President George W. Bush is meeting with Peruvian President Alejandro Toledo. Let's listen in as they hold their news conference.
ALEJANDRO TOLEDO, PRESIDENT OF PERU (through translator): (OFF- MIKE) of the United States of America, my good friend George Bush, Mr. Secretary of State, members of the delegation of the United States accompanying President Bush, this (OFF-MIKE) representing a country with which we have had an historical relationship.
It is not a merely diplomatic visit, it is an official working visit. And we have touched on substantive issues which range from the open struggle against poverty, a war without border (ph) against terrorism and drug trafficking -- I repeat, a war with no ambiguities whatsoever against terrorism and drug trafficking. We've touched on issues of trade, education, even the Peace Corps.
But my friend, George Bush, this Peru is a country that welcomes you with open arms. We are renewing our friendship, and this is the beginning of a new era in the relationship between Peru and the United States. And I'm extremely happy that the two of us are able to begin this relationship.
I know you seem younger than I am, but we are both 55 years old. And we have a long way ahead of us to work together.
I know that we both have the energy and the stubbornness, particularly with regard to the issue of terrorism and drug trafficking, because your country, just like mine, loves peace. It appreciates life, and we are united on this. And as of today, we have a strategic alliance of hope for the future.
My friend, welcome to my country.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Gracias, Senor Presidente. It's an honor for me to be the first sitting president of the United States to visit Peru. I want to thank you for the invitation. It's a greater honor for Laura and me to come here as guests of a leader who symbolizes Peru's revitalization.
President Toledo and I have now met three times. At each meeting, I have been impressed by his commitment to democracy and his determination to improve the lives of the people of Peru. Peru is on the path toward greater freedom and greater prosperity, and America will be the partner in this progress, Mr. President.
Earlier today our two governments signed an agreement that will reintroduce the Peace Corps to Peru after an absence of nearly 30 years. The first volunteers will arrive in August, a symbol of the stronger ties between our people and the stronger relationship between our nations.
BUSH: This relationship is based on common values and common interests. Our nations understand that political and economic progress depends on security. And that security is impossible in a world with terrorists.
Peruvians have been reminded again this week of the terrible human toil of terror. On behalf of the people of the United States, I express our deep sympathy for the victims of the recent bombing and our deep sympathy for their loved ones.
President Toledo and I share a common perspective on terrorism: We must stop it. Since September the 11th, Peru has taken the lead in rallying our hemisphere to take strong action against this common threat, and I want to thank the president for his leadership and his strong support.
Our nations understand that freedom is only as strong as the institutions protecting it. The United States is actively supporting the president's efforts to strengthen Peru's democratic foundations. And we will continue to support the work of Peru's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which is helping correct the abuses of the past and set the course for a better future.
President Toledo and I both understand the importance of providing economic opportunity to all our citizens as a hopeful alternative to the drug trade. We discussed ways to make the assistance that the United States provides under the Andean Regional Initiative more effective.
And I emphasized to the president my commitment to renew and extend the Andean Trade Preferences Act. The United States House of Representatives has moved this legislation. It is stuck in the Senate, and I urge the Senate to act.
President Toledo and I have agreed to renew discussions on a bilateral investment treaty, and to complete a debt for nature agreement to help Peru produce debt payments while it protects its biodiversity.
I also informed the president that Secretary of Commerce Don Evans will lead a trade mission to Peru and the Andean region later this year. By building these ties of commerce, both our nations can create more jobs, more investments and more benefits for workers and consumers.
President Toledo and I believe that education is the key to participation in the global economy. The president's own path in life is a lesson in how education opens up doors for opportunity. He is passionate on the subject. I love his passion, and I appreciate his commitment.
And I'm pleased to announce that our country will help establish an Andean Center of Excellence for Teacher Training with a base here in Peru. The center will support President Toledo's goal of quality schools, with quality teachers that give more Peruvians the literacy and learning they need to succeed.
I've also directed U.S. Commerce Department and the U.S. Trade and Development Agency to establish an Andean e-business fellowship program, to give more high-tech professionals from this region the chance to learn more about information technology.
President Toledo and I have a strong relationship. I am inspired by his life. I am inspired by his story. I am inspired by his leadership. I am impressed by Peru's progress, and I am very confident of Peru's future.
Thank you, sir.
QUESTION: Given the increasing evidence that the FARC is now operating in Peru, will you be willing to provide President Toledo extra assistance in fighting the war against terrorism here, should he ask for it?
And are you concerned that what was once a regional problem in Colombia, or something restricted to Colombia, is now spreading across Colombia's borders and threatening its neighbors?
BUSH: We discussed the neighborhood at length today. President Toledo told me that he is -- now he has done a very good job, or the country has done a good job, of making sure that relations with neighbors north and south are peaceful, that he is moving troops and making decisions to prevent terrorists from coming into this country from Colombia, and we will help him in this effort. That's part of the reason why I am here is to support our mutual desire to fight terror and to help this good democracy thrive.
Later on today, we'll be talking with presidents, and one vice president, from the Andean nations. And we'll be discussing our common desire to prevent terrorist groups like the FARC from holding people in nations hostage.
And I'm absolutely convinced, having talked to the president three times, that he will do everything in his power to rout out terror, not let it take hold, and preserve the institutions that make Peru a beacon for democracy.
TOLEDO (through translator): No, the evidence that we have is -- I repeat, the evidence that we have indicates that there is no transfer of the FARC into Peru. However, we are adopting every measure possible. The minister of defense visited the border very recently. We took our bases that were along the border with Ecuador where, after signing the peace agreement, there is no need for their presence. We removed them as a precautionary measure over to the border with Colombia. As President Bush just indicated, this is a joint task. What happens to Colombia affects us, and vice versa.
But here, too, we're partners. And I think that the issues that have to do with the Andean community are issues on which President Bush is extremely interested, and I'm sure that we will be working together on these. We are going to work together on this, I'm sure of that.
QUESTION (through translator): President Bush, you granted an audience recently to my daily, El Commence (ph), at the White House, and you said in that interview that Peru, for the United States, is not only a friend but an ally.
I'd like to ask you, beyond trade preferences and a commitment to struggle against drug trafficking, what will be the major elements in your administration that would highlight this different relationship you want to have with Peru. For example, would you open up an Ande (ph) Chamber (ph), so to speak, for Peru to come into a free trade agreement negotiation with the United States?
And let me ask President Toledo, with regard to the issue of shared responsibility in the fight against drug trafficking, would you take on the commitment before President Bush to establish a control office that would monitor whatever the United States does not comply with?
BUSH: I listed quite a few things in my opening remarks about our relationship. I believe strongly that if we promote trade and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue, help Peruvian workers, help U.S. workers.
The Andean Trade Preference Act is a cornerstone of good policy, as far as I'm concerned, and it's a cornerstone of good relations. We talked about a treaty on investment. That could be the beginning of a trade treaty. The president brought it up. He asked whether or not we would consider it. I said, "We'll take it back and discuss the issue when I get back to Washington, D.C."
There is nothing more important that fostering good economic relations. I mean, the best way for people to get lifted out of poverty is a job. And the best way to encourage jobs is through trade.
And one of the -- what we're beginning to realize in the world is development aid is important, but development aid pales in comparison to the amount of capital that is generated through trade in the marketplace, in the private sector. And countries that open markets and countries that trade freely are countries where the people are more likely to be able to succeed.
And I would not discount the importance of our relationship when it comes to fighting terror. The world has called us to action. This is a new era. We are fighting a new kind of war. And we're strong allies in that war. And when we win, our people are better off.
You can't alleviate poverty if there is terror in your neighborhood. It's impossible to achieve what we want if terrorists run free. And so I think one of the best things we can do to lay the foundation for a better tomorrow is to be tough and firm and not yield to threat. And that's exactly the way the president feels, and I can assure you that's the way I feel.
TOLEDO (through translator): (OFF-MIKE) in war, in the war against drug trafficking and terrorism, we are partners, not simply through conviction, my good friend, but because we ourselves have experienced it. We have experienced the affects of terrorism here for 20 years.
The United States on September 11 -- and I have here my friend Colin Powell with whom we have a very solid human relationship, because in this very palace, we were witnesses to the news of September 11 while we were having breakfast.
On this issue, we are partners. I am stubborn. I am stubborn, and I believe it is not incompatible to respect the law and to be strong-handed with regard to the issue of terrorism and drug trafficking.
I do know there has been a decision from the U.S. government to increase support for the struggle against drug trafficking, and I appreciate that enormously. We still have a long road ahead to walk together in this struggle, but we will do it .
And, Mr. Journalist, I want to underscore something that was referred to by President Bush.
Trade preferences is an issue on which President Bush has demonstrated, and I am a witness, his will for congressional approval in the United States. The separation of powers makes it impossible for presidents to control congresses, just like I don't control mine, but that's the way democracy works.
Nonetheless, we have gone beyond trade preferences, Andean trade preferences. I have asked of President Bush that he consider an initiative for trade -- for bilateral trade and investment within the framework of the Andean community.
And we are going to be talking to our colleagues in just a few minutes. I think it's important because trade is a synonym for work, and work is a way to deal with poverty. Through work, education, and health, we can eradicate poverty.
We are partners on the issue of trade, on the issue of drug trafficking and terrorism, in the defense of democracy and of human rights, my friend -- human rights.
QUESTION: Mr. President, the Peruvians have expressed an urgent desire for the resumption of U.S. drug interdiction flights in Peruvian airspace. You told us yesterday in Monterrey that the issue is under rigorous review.
My question to you, sir, is, is it your ultimate goal to see a resumption of those flights? And what preconditions would you put on those flights before authorizing resumption?
And for President Toledo, if I could, sir, if you are to expect a maximum effort at a partnership with the United States to eradicate drug trafficking, why won't you make the same commitment to coca eradication as your neighbors Bolivia have? You've talked a lot about the problem being drug trafficking, but you have not made the same commitment on coca production, sir.
BUSH: We are reviewing all avenues toward an effective policy of interdiction.
As you know, we had a terrible situation where a young mom and her daughter lost their life. Caused us to step back and to take a look at our policy at home and then to work with the Peruvian government to figure out how best to be effective in interdicting drugs. And so, discussions are ongoing.
And we want to make sure that when we work with countries like Peru that we achieve the common objective, which is make it hard for those narco traffickers to move through their airspace, across their land or in oceans.
I want to say something about -- there is a lot of talk about interdiction, and there should be. And there is a lot of talk about battling the narco traffickers here in the Andean area, and we will.
But our country has an obligation, as well, not only to provide support and help -- the president mentioned that we have expanded the direct aid to Peru on this issue, which we have. We have tripled it up to about $200 million, about $195 million I think it is.
But the best thing that America needs to do is to reduce demand for drugs. We have got to do a better job of convincing our own country to reduce -- to quit using them. As demand for drugs goes down, it will take the pressure off of our friends in Peru.
So we have got a double obligation, it seems like to me: On the one hand, to provide help and aid that's effective and will work. And that's exactly what we spent a lot of time talking about in all three of our meetings. But I want to remind our Peruvian friends that we've got to do a better job at home of convincing Americans to stop using drugs.
And part of our drug initiative will be to focus on the demand side. Less demand for drugs will mean that the supply for drugs will be less urgent, and that will, in turn, help the region.
TOLEDO (through translator): Look, my friend, let me deal with your question head on.
In 1990, the number of hectares with coca cultivation was approximately 140,000 total. Today, we are down to 34,000 hectares where we have coca cultivation. Enormous progress has been made.
I know it's not enough. We have a long path ahead of us yet. And we have to do this together.
I know that the drug traffickers have become more sophisticated over time. They have more high-tech capabilities, and now we too have to push forward in that direction.
I want to be very open. And I apologize to my friend President Bush now. We are not fighting against drug trafficking in order to satisfy the United States or Europe. Drug trafficking, in partnership with terrorism, is an issue of national security. It's an issue of national security.
On Wednesday, they killed nine people, nine of our brothers and sisters. And there were 30 people wounded.
I have publicly stated, and I want to repeat this, we are not going to let this stand.
So let me respond to you. We have made a substantial reduction. We still have 34,000 hectares to go. But we are going to do this together.
Final point, I think President Bush is extremely sincere. He is extremely sincere and honest when he recognizes that as long as there is a demand out there, there will be a supply. As long as there are consumers, there will be producers.
And so together, we need to work on reducing the number of consumers, cure them better, make them better. And we need to reduce the amount of hectares under cultivation.
And footnote here, it's also true that the statistics indicate that, although levels are still low, there is an increase in the consumption of cocaine among youth in Peru. And that is also part of our concern with regard to national security.
QUESTION (through translator): President Bush, you are in a region now that's been devastated by terrorism and subversion and drug trafficking for over three decades. You are offering us the Peace Corps. I would ask you if you're willing, as president of the most powerful nation on earth, to lead a Marshall Plan for South America?
BUSH: I appreciate that. I think I said more than just the Peace Corps, if I'm not mistaken, in my opening comments. Obviously, our nation is committed to this part of the world. I have come to Peru as the first sitting president to express our solidarity with Peru and the people, as well as expressed my appreciation for a reformer who got elected who's willing to defend the institutions that make democracy go.
I'll repeat, if you'd like me to, go through the litany of things I just said: the Andean Trade Preference Act, bilateral action on investment, money for education, money to fight drugs. We've tripled the amount of money, I believe it was $50 million up to $195 million, available.
And so, I think our commitment is -- I think our commitment speaks for itself. And I appreciate so very much the chance to come and explain it to the Peruvian people, that ours is more than just words. Ours is deeds and action.
QUESTION: Good afternoon, President Bush.
Buenos tardes, Senor Presidente.
President Bush, many lawmakers in Congress are growing increasingly concerned about your policy in the Middle East, wondering if the very talk of potential high-level negotiations, involving Vice President Cheney specifically with the Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat might not, in fact, send a signal that terrorism against Israeli civilians can achieve some limited political aims.
I'd like to ask you, sir, why you're contemplating that, and why those who wonder if that is not the case are incorrect?
BUSH: Well, first of all, I think there has been no question that the United States has stood strong with Israel. And we have made it very clear to Mr. Arafat that he is not doing all he can do to fight off terror. I can't be any more clear than that.
Vice President Cheney said, depending upon the Zinni mission and General Zinni's recommendation, he might go back if and when Arafat performs.
Surely those in the Congress you talk about appreciate the fact that the administration is engaged and sent General Zinni into the region. We laid out the Tenet plan, which is a way to bring some security to the region, which will then lead to the Mitchell plan. And we're doing everything in our power to get the parties into Tenet, and we will continue working hard to get them to Tenet.
QUESTION: Even if the violence continues and (OFF-MIKE)
BUSH: If and when Mr. Arafat...
BUSH: If and when Chairman...
BUSH: Excuse me. If and when Chairman Arafat performs, that's what we have said.
General Zinni went to the Middle East. He is leading discussions. But people shouldn't mistake our desire to get into Tenet as anything more than a desire to get to peace. And we'll continue working to do so.
And Prime Minister Sharon knows where the United States stands. We're strong allies with Israel. We have been ever since I've been the president, and we'll continue to be strong allies with Israel.
QUESTION (through translator): Good afternoon to both presidents.
President Bush, just a few days ago I was able to ask you in Washington about leadership in the fight against poverty. And on this, aside from the issue of being 55 and the fact that you are wearing the same color of ties, you are in agreement with President Alejandro Toledo who also insists on fighting against poverty.
But the fight against poverty presupposes, and this has been stated by Dr. Toledo, thinking of reducing arms in Latin America, because for every tank or F-16, we could buy a lot more schools.
Mr. President, I'd like to know your views on this and the views of President Toledo with regard to this issue, the possibility of arms control in the South American part of the hemisphere. And the same question for President Toledo.
BUSH: We may be the same age, but el tiene pelo negro.
Yo tengo pelo gris.
I appreciate President Toledo's work to have a security arrangement in place in the neighborhood amongst the countries bordering Peru, that will then allow him to reinvest in education. We talked about that. And I think that is a strong commitment and a wise commitment.
As far as my country's commitment goes, I gave a speech in Monterrey, Mexico, two days ago where I committed our country to a 50 percent increase in development aid. But I said it's time for the world to stop looking at inputs and to focus on outputs.
And that the United States and developed nations must do more financially, and we're leading the way. But we expect other nations to develop the habits that will lead to a better opportunity for their people -- rule of law, focus on education and good health care.
President Toledo understands that. He's been a leader in that effort.
And I think what I said in Monterrey was very important, that unless we all focus on how programs benefit people directly, no matter what the efforts or strategy is, it's likely to lead to failure.
But programs and policies that understand the worth of each human being, that each individual matters, are those programs which will be successful.
And so, our country will try to foster that. And this president has made that commitment, for which I have grateful. TOLEDO (through translator): Aside from the fact that President Bush has very good taste with regard to color in ties, he's also taller than I am.
On this issue of military expenditure, we discussed it with him. And here, I want to strike a difference between military expenses for armed conflicts between countries and military expenditures for defense against terrorism and drug trafficking. Because these are two separate issues.
I think that there is a major challenge in the world in order to survive in this globalized and savagely competitive world we live in. We need to invest more in the minds of our people. Basically, what this means is investing more in nutrition, health, education, and justice for the poor.
We won't be able to deal with the challenges of this globalized world, unless we invest in the knowledge of our societies. And the question immediately arises, and obviously so, in an economy that is growing and overcoming recession, where do you get the money to invest in nutrition, health, and education?
Well, we've made an appeal to countries at the bilateral level, and there the United States has played a very generous role at the donor's table in Madrid.
And I want to publicly express my appreciation, Mr. President.
There has been debt conversion, external bilateral debt swap for social investment. And there, we have been able to get a commitment of about $1 billion. This is one way to establish a financial space to invest in health, nutrition, and education.
The other thing is that I believe that it makes no sense in this world, as long as we have a country with 54 percent of Peruvians who live below the poverty line, or 16 percent who live below the dire poverty line -- when I was born, the very first minute of my life, when I opened my eyes, I saw the face of dire poverty. I know what this means.
That's why I am convinced that we can make an effort to reduce military spending, to reorient those resources toward investment and justice and education and health. Because the defense of a country no longer depends on how many tanks or ships or aircraft we have. It's all about how strong our economy is, how educated our people are.
And please, excuse me for being so passionate on this subject, but there is absolutely no doubt on this. And the empirical evidence is very harsh with regard to the return on investment on education and health and nutrition for our people.
And here, once again, we have another point of coincidence that leads us down the same path together.
I conveyed something that's very close to my heart with regard to the Wascoran (ph) education program, and I asked our friend to support us on this. And I will be going to New York, and I'm going to talk to Mr. Bill Gates to try to promote the Wascoran (ph) project even more.
But if we reduce military spending, we're going to have some financial leeway to reorient this money toward the poor who want to overcome poverty, who want freedom. And we will be able to deal with the challenges of the future.
CALLAWAY: Peruvian President Toledo saying that President Bush and he are partners in trade, terrorism, human rights and education. President Bush the first sitting U.S. president to visit Lima, Peru. On his Latin American tour he meets now with the president of Bolivia and the president of Colombia as he continues (UNINTELLIGIBLE). His visit lasting just one day there in Lima.
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