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Multiple Shootings at Cleveland School; Noose on Campus; Atrium Collapses in Baltimore
Aired October 10, 2007 - 14:00 ET
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: UAW walkout part two. For the second time in less than a month, Union Auto Workers put down their tools and pick up their signs. This time their target is Chrysler.
We'll get the issues and the impact in a live report.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: And we're also live in the Ivy League. Columbia University, a beacon of diversity, enlightenment and reason. Today, the Manhattan campus is rocked by a stunning display of hate.
You're looking at live pictures right there.
Hello, everyone. I'm Don Lemon, live at the CNN world headquarters in Atlanta.
PHILLIPS: And I'm Kyra Phillips.
You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
Breaking news at the top of the hour. Let's head straight to the news room. Fredricka Whitfield working details on a developing story.
FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Well, Kyra, we're starting to see more disturbing images outside the SuccessTech Academy there in Cleveland, where a student allegedly opened fire right in the middle of school there, striking at least two people. You are looking at some aerial picture now of how many kids are outside of the school after having gotten out of the facility now that a manhunt is under way inside the school for what is believed to be, according to one of our affiliates reporting, a 14-year-old suspect.
One of our affiliates, WOIO, the reporter there indicating that she counted at least five gunshot victims from this shooting. We're still trying to confirm that, because what we have been able to confirm is at least two have been shot, one of which may be a teacher.
More information as we get it, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: And apparently we just heard from one of the first reporters on the scene, Kim Wheeler. She's with our affiliate WKYC, Fred. This is what she had to say.
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KIM WHEELER, REPORTER, WKYC: We understand that there are five victims in this incident today. We've heard that from some of the crews here. And they say this building is not secure.
We've been continuing to see police with their weapons showing up at this building. There's a city councilman that has arrived on scene. The mayor is also here. There are school officials that are also arriving.
Families are gathering who may have students here at SuccessTech. And, also, students are staying here who left the building when they heard those gunshots, got out of the building any way that they could.
Now, again, we understand that this building is not secure. So the gunman we believe is still in the building and police continue to arrive.
So that's the latest that we have right now.
You can see all of the cars that are now on Lakeside here at 13th, outside of SuccessTech. And it's worth mentioning again that SuccessTech is a school that has a great reputation in the Cleveland school district.
Students come here. They have very high grades. And that's why they go to this school, which is very sought after as far as a school goes in the Cleveland schools.
So, again, we're waiting to get more details on the victims in this and also what is happening inside that building. But at this point we know the situation is still unfolding inside.
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PHILLIPS: And that was one of the first reporters there on the scene. She is still working it for us, Kim Wheeler, with our affiliate WKYC.
You're looking at live pictures right now from one of our affiliates there out of Cleveland, Ohio. If you're just tuning in, it's a school shooting that we are following right now outside the SuccessTech Academy High School in downtown Cleveland.
We had heard two students had been transported, and now we're hearing from Kim Wheeler, the reporter on the scene there, Fred -- I know you're working this, too -- she is saying possibly five victims.
WHITFIELD: Right. And of course, if you're a parent you're seeing these images. If you've been hearing about the fact that there was a shooting at a school where your child attends, of course you'll want to know, where do I go?
Well, we know that at least two of the victims have been transported to Metro Health Center. So perhaps there are some answers for you there if you're a parent and you want to know a little bit more about who those two victims are.
Meantime, as you heard in Kim's report, there were a number of students who managed to get out of the building after they heard the gunshot. But according to one of our affiliates, WKYC, there's still a number of teachers, as well as students, inside the building as this manhunt continues for this suspected gunman. Inside the building, many of the students and teachers who are hiding somewhere in the building to try to be as protected as possible.
And these live images right here really tell the story of how disturbing this is for a number of the students who felt like this is a safe place for them at this SuccessTech Academy, now turning out to be a very frightening day and frightening experience. And still ongoing -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: And apparently, Fred, witnesses were telling one of the local stations there that suspected shooter possibly a 14-year-old student...
PHILLIPS: ... who was upset about a suspension.
WHITFIELD: That's right. And according to some of these eyewitness accounts, this 14-year-old may have been in a dispute or fight earlier in the week, was suspended, was unhappy about that.
Came back to the school today with a gun in each hand, going down the hallway, where this student allegedly opened fire, striking at least two people. And you heard from Kim, her reporting indicating that there may be at least five people who have been injured. But so far we're only able to confirm two.
PHILLIPS: And for those just tuning in, they believe that that student possibly still inside the school, is that right?
WHITFIELD: That's right. And that you see the S.W.A.T. team, police personnel on the outside of the building, as well as flooding the interior of this building to try to locate this suspected gunman.
PHILLIPS: All right. We'll keep tracking it with you.
Fredricka Whitfield, thanks so much.
Reporting on a school shooting happening right now out of Cleveland, Ohio. That student possibly still holed up inside the school. Two people shot, possibly five. We're working it for you. All the details.
LEMON: Also happening right now, we have live pictures -- let's go right now to the campus of Columbia University. Allan Chernoff is standing there. That's our live pictures.
Very disturbing. A noose found on a doorknob. Is that correct, of one of the professor's offices there on campus? And I see you have a large crowd gathering behind you, Allan.
ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN SR. CORRESPONDENT: Exactly, Don. The rally started just a few moments ago. Yesterday came the shock that there could actually be a noose hung on the door of one of the professor's here, a 44-year-old African-American woman who actually has written a book called "Addressing Racism". The professor, Madonna Constantine.
Now, she is not here. She has not spoken just yet. The rally just under way. But here you see the response from the students, teachers, everyone joining together.
And here, even you see a poster -- we can show this over here -- of first graders. First graders have actually written a little poster here.
They have a little school within Teachers College. As you see, "First graders say no to meanness and hate."
The rally just under way here. The students in absolute disbelief that they could have an incident of racism right here at Columbia University.
One of the organizers with me is Ricco Wright.
Rico, tell me, if you can sum up the media response when you first heard of this incident, what did you think?
RICCO WRIGHT, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY STUDENT: We're hurt. All of us are hurt. And what we decided to do was to rally together as a community of not only people of color, but of all races, of all ethnicities, to show that this type of hate is intolerable. And we're here protesting against this today.
CHERNOFF: Is this an environment where you ever imagined there could possibly be something like this happening?
WRIGHT: It could happen anywhere, but we just want to show that it's not going to happen on our campus.
CHERNOFF: The lesson that maybe we all take away from all this? Education perhaps not a barrier to racism?
WRIGHT: Well, perhaps. But our main concern is to cultivate humanity, to show love and support of one another. And this hanging a noose on the door is intolerable. And whoever this perpetrator it is, how cowardly the incident might be, should be ashamed of himself or herself.
CHERNOFF: Ricco Wright, thank you very much.
The New York City Police Department investigating this crime. We expect a press conference from the NYPD later this afternoon.
Don, back to you.
LEMON: All right, Allan. We'll check back. Thank you for your report.
PHILLIPS: Now let's get back to the news room. Fredricka Whitfield working details on that school shooting in Cleveland, Ohio.
A lot of stuff coming across the wire, Fred. Did you see this part about the student saying that she heard "Code Blue" over the public address system and the kids just started running and hiding in the closets? Some of them still hiding in the school?
WHITFIELD: Right. It is outrageous. It is concerning. And certainly very frightening, because it is understood that there are a number of students and teachers who have been unable to get out of the building after hearing those shots fired, and that they are reportedly hiding in portions of the building.
Meantime, while S.W.A.T. team and police officers are looking for the suspected gunman who is described thus far as being a 14-year-old who may have been in an argument earlier in the week. Unhappy with the suspension that this student got, and then came back to this school with a gun in each hand, opening fire while walking down the hallway.
Reportedly, at least two people being shot and injured. We've seen the images of at least two people on gurneys being put into ambulances, but we're also hearing from our affiliate reporting, WKYC, that possibly four people, maybe even five, have been injured.
Meantime, let's listen in now to WKYC in its interviews.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It was horrible. It was very horrible. And the first thing I did -- my daughter called me back five minutes later and said that they were going to let them go outside the school room, that they had secured that area and they were going to go outside.
But I didn't find anything else out until I got there. And then they told me that three people had got shot. So I don't know any more than that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you're still waiting to see your daughter?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. They told us to come over here by Channel 3 because we're waiting for a briefing. So we're all standing here waiting to find out what's happening and how the kids are doing and what's going on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And just before we were on the air you were saying this is just so unbelievable, this is such a great school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is something that you hear about in other, you know, cities. You never hear about anything like this in Cleveland. Cleveland is such a good city, it's good for the kids.
My daughter has always been in private school. This is her first year going to public school -- I mean, her first time going to public school, and this is what's happening now. It's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, thank you so much for talking to us on what I know is such a tough day for you.
WHITFIELD: All right. That reporting there from our affiliate, WKYC.
You can see the anguish on this parent's face, the worry in her voice, talking, Kyra, about the fact that, you know, this is a school, SuccessTech Academy, which has a great reputation as a great academic environment, as well as a very safe one. Her daughter attending this school for the first time in a public school after being in private schools. And now something like this would happen.
And you're seeing now new images of yet another victim on a gurney being taken to an ambulance there. So that would mean as least on camera now a count of three that we've been able to see -- two earlier who were taken into an ambulance and now that latest live shot of a third person.
Our affiliate's reporting at least four people may have been injured. We have only been able to confirm two, but now it looks like a third from those live images that we're seeing now -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: And so as we're seeing another victim taken away in an ambulance there, we're hearing four to five people possibly. We've definitely confirmed three. And the S.W.A.T. team is there trying to get every student out of that school.
Apparently, Fred, a lot of them hiding in closets and in the classroom because that student, they believe, that 14-year-old student who was upset about a suspension, is still in that building, possibly armed. Could be a threat to anybody else still in that building.
Do we know if the S.W.A.T. team -- who else is supporting the S.W.A.T. team? Do we know? I see other members of local law enforcement.
WHITFIELD: Right. We understand right now to be S.W.A.T. team and the Cleveland police. Whether there's another jurisdiction involved, that not being made clear right now. But at least those two agencies or personnel on the two levels there.
The majority of the personnel in the outside of that tech academy being Cleveland police. This school is located right downtown, not far from the Cleveland Police Department. But a S.W.A.T. team inside trying to find this suspected gunman, which as you've been reporting, may be a 14-year-old student.
LEMON: And Fred, while you guys have been talking here, I've just sort of been monitoring the wires, and just want to sort of confirm what you and Kyra have been saying about kids running into closets. Here's what -- one student said he heard the principal say "Code Blue" over the public address system and the kids started running.
One student says she hid in the closet with some of her friends. And then also there's a timeline being provided by one of our affiliates there. It says at 1:58 they confirmed that five people were injured, and sources tell our affiliate that a security guard was on vacation and that two other full-time security guards had been laid off in recent years.
And the school has business and administrative offices on the ground and second floors. The classrooms are on the third floor and above.
We're going to listen in again to WKYC and their reporter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A great reputation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, and her honors, you know. I want her to be successful. That's the name of the school, but I guess, you know, it happens.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know. This is something that no parent wants to hear about, their child seeing or being round at all. So I know this has been such a tough afternoon for you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you're just waiting now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, to hug her and get her and take her home. This ain't right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you so much for talking to us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I appreciate it.
We now have the Cleveland Teachers Union president here with us, Joanne DeMarco.
I know you're down here because you have heard what happened at the school. What have you been told, if anything?
I just got here. And I know that there's been a shooting and I heard that it's the CTU (ph) rep. And so, of course, I'm here for the children and for the rep.
You know, schools are supposed to be safe places. Safe places. And, you know, it's not that Cleveland is immune to anything going on in the nation, but SuccessTech would have been the last place we would have thought of.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is not a school where...
LEMON: And that was our affiliate there on the scene interviewing folks who are there on the scene.
PHILLIPS: I have been trying to look for information on SuccessTech Academy High. It looks like a specialized school that's there downtown. And as I look for information on this school, I'm going to bring you up to date.
Well, actually, let's go to our affiliate there, WKYC. Live interviews with parents and relatives trying to get in touch with their students or children.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So we are still waiting to hear more information, but we do understand that there were four victims. We don't know the conditions at this point. And we do understand that the building is secure but parents are waiting now to be reunited with their children who go to the school -- Monica.
LEMON: All right. And that's our reporter there, our affiliate on the scene as Kyra is checking for some information. Fred also getting some new information.
I just want to read to you some of the stuff that happened that we're getting across the wires here. Some of the timelines.
According to one student there, he said he saw at least three people come out on stretchers. He said he saw a shooter, Kyra and Fred, running down the hall and then he ducked out of the door.
He says, "He was about to shoot me but I got out just in time. He was aiming at me and I got out just in time."
And so, again, the principal said "Code Blue" over the public address system. Code Blue obviously means everybody should, you know, take cover and go to apply whatever emergency lessons that you've learned. And the kids said they were running and some of them were hiding out in closets -- Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: Yes. It's such a sad situation.
And you heard from the one parent earlier who said, you know, this is a school of high standards. And to tell you a little bit more about this school and, you know, who the student body is here at the SuccessTech Academy, this is a nontraditional, as they say, high school, according to the metropolitan school district.
It's a place where the students there are already exceptional and believed to be able to carry out their own kind of personalized learning plans, is how they describe it. And these kids are involved and focused on service learning.
And this is a safe place, according to at least one of the parents we heard from. One parent saying that her child has been in private schools throughout, and then for first time is in a public school which is this high school, this SuccessTech Academy, and something like this would happen.
It really is incomprehensible for so many involved. You saw the pictures earlier of a lot of students who were aghast, who were just simply shocked, who were crying that this could possibly happen here. And that it all may be precipitated by a single student, possibly a 14-year-old who was upset about a suspension after a fight, that even that much more heartbreaking. PHILLIPS: And Fred, just looking -- just kind of expounding on SuccessTech Academy, if indeed it's one of these specialized school like the magnet program for gifted kids, this one is technology based. But what will be even more interesting, is these are kids that were top of the class or are top of the class, have come here for some additional enhanced learning to go along with their high school experience.
It will be interesting to try and find out more about this student shooter, his background, and why he was in suspension.
I'm also being told, Fred -- I don't know -- I was looking up information -- if you were able to reiterate -- we're getting word the building is now secure. So the fact the building is now secure, does that mean that they have that student in custody? Were they able to get that student out of there? That's what we're trying to figure out.
What are you hearing?
WHITFIELD: Yes. Well, I'm hearing nothing about that right now. But certainly if the building is secure, that gives some indication that they have at least pinpointed the location that possibly this gunman may be, and at least they are closing in on that person. That would be the most hopeful thought process.
PHILLIPS: Fred, it sounds like they do have him. WKYC reporting that police have that 14-year-old shooter in custody right now.
LEMON: Or in control, as they say. Maybe they have him in a controlled situation, where maybe he has nowhere else to run, or what have you, or what they're -- the language they are using -- not exactly sure why law enforcement is using this language, but they are saying in control at this point. Not sure if it means in custody.
It sounds like it would mean in custody, right? But again -- and you see there appears to be either a school official or police officers there on the scene going back inside of the building from that camera shot.
We're going to listen back into WKYC for an interview with one of the people who are in the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The school had a security guard assigned to the floors. We're on the third, fourth and fifth floor.
We had our own security person. And what happened is they took him, just reassigned him.
We've been fighting to get security back for the last two, three years. They keep denying it.
The parents have written petitions, everything. We have no metal detectors in the building. It's just ridiculous.
The building went from 15 kids in a class to over 30 in a class, which is totally unacceptable. We have empty classrooms, we've got kids sitting on top of kids.
Tension was high in the school. It was just too crowded. And, you know, the same young man, I think, got into an altercation the other day. He was on suspension, and somehow or another he got back into the building.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that's what we've heard. But I don't think that's been confirmed yet.
But now there's no security guard at all in this building now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The security guard that's here is assigned to the administrative building. He stays on the first floor, does not walk the building, does not do anything for the high school. So there are no security people assigned to the high school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And just so people know, this building does house other organizations and also other administrative offices for the district. So the first floor is for the administration part.
And then the high school is on which floors?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The high school is on the third, fourth and fifth floor.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And so what was the response then about increasing security in this building?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From the petitions, basically, we got no response at all. We got nothing. They never responded to it. Never said yes, you can, no, you can't.
We've had a meeting in the building with some of the upper echelon for the security department. And basically we were told the building didn't need one because we didn't have any problems in the building.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And they were probably sending security guards to other buildings where maybe they did have more of a record of having problems, is that what they were saying?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's correct. That's correct. But at any of the other smaller schools...
PHILLIPS: We're listening to a parent there on the scene talking to reporters. But we're just getting record now -- we were wondering what exactly it means to have a suspect in control.
Now WOIO, the affiliate there out of Cleveland, reporting that the shooter has been killed. The 14-year-old student that apparently went on a rampage here at SuccessTech Academy in Cleveland, Ohio, he had opened fire, possibly hitting five students and/or teachers there in that building. Three we were able to confirm, possibly two more.
He had a gun in each hand going through the hallways. Apparently now that young shooter, has been shot and killed. That is being reported by our affiliate WOIO.
Fredricka Whitfield working more details on this as we're getting them -- Fred.
WHITFIELD: Well, my reporting is indicating that he's dead, but it's unclear from our affiliates on the ground whether this alleged gunman was shot and killed or whether it was self-inflicted. So if you have any more information -- you actually have more updated information than mine. But it's indicating so far that he is dead, but still, we need to find out how that happened.
This shooting, apparently, as you heard from that one parent, did take place on a number of floors. That paramedics were called to one floor, one room on the third floor, and that one person was shot and in that location. And that yet another shooting took place on the fourth floor.
So initial reporting -- and, you know, this is very fluid. I mean, all of this taking place just within the past hour or so. So there would always be some conflicting reports coming in from so many different sources.
And the investigative end of this whole case will help to flush out what really indeed happened, fact or fiction, a little bit later. But, you know, initially remember, Kyra, I was indicating, according to our affiliates on the ground, that this gunman opened fire specifically in a hallway. But now some other reporting coming indicating that there was some firing of shots taking place on several different floors and that that hallway shooting just was one, you know, of the various ables here, which would explain why our affiliates now are indicating up to four people, maybe even five, have been shot.
And of course we're still waiting for some confirmation about the gunman, which was described as a 14-year-old, whether indeed this was a self-inflicted wound killing him or whether police officers felt they had to open fire on this gunman.
PHILLIPS: It looks like reports of possibly both situations are out there.
PHILLIPS: I'm just looking at the latest from 19 Action News there locally saying "Teenage gunman is dead. No word on how he died at this time."
So a number of things out there on the wires and also via our affiliates, Fred, trying to hammer out exactly what happened.
WHITFIELD: Yes. A terrible situation.
LEMON: And they're also confirming here, Fred...
WHITFIELD: Sorry about that. LEMON: They're also confirming -- because there were conflicting reports about five or four victims. Authorities there saying that it is definitely four victims. That's according to authorities at this point.
And then they were taken to Metro Health Medical Center. They are confirming that they received three of those victims but they have no details on the conditions other than that they received them. So just wanted to update you on that, guys, on that part of the story.
PHILLIPS: And we're asking for I-Reports, as well, CNN.com/ireport. We're all working this story for you, but if you're there on the scene and you can send us pictures or possibly interviews, video, please do it.
You're watching CNN. We'll be right back.
LEMON: All right. A school shooting in Ohio. We're following breaking news here in the CNN NEWSROOM.
At least three people have been shot. The gunman in all of this who was holed up in this high school, the SuccessTech High School, well, we understand now that he is dead.
Police saying they have controlled the scene. That's what that means, they shot the gunman.
You're looking at live pictures now happening on the campus. Of course, parents and friends and relatives rushing to find out if their loved ones are OK.
You see a number of different agencies working the scene -- the police department, S.W.A.T. team. I understand that the FBI may even be involved in this, but just really a heart-wrenching story.
Three people shot in this school. We hear the gunman ran through the halls with a gun in each hand and then started opening fire on students there.
The principal got on to the overhead and said, you know what? "Code Blue". Everyone go to wherever you're supposed to go in emergency situations. And the kids were hiding under desks and then also in closets.
PHILLIPS: Apparently, this is what happened. A 14-year-old student was upset about a suspension. He apparently had gotten into a fight, possibly the day before or two days before. Came back to the school, gun in both hands, started working his way down the hallway opening fire, possibly hitting two teachers.
There's reports that up to five people could have been hit. Two possibly teachers. You're seeing the S.W.A.T. team enter in the SuccessTech academy right now in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. They were the ones called in to clear that building when that 14-year-old shooter was still holed up inside that building.
It's unclear whether the gunman took his life or police shot and killed him. We're still trying to figure that out.
We got word that the situation was under control. We weren't sure if that meant that they had him in custody or if indeed he was dead.
We are getting reports now that he has been killed. Whether he did it to himself or police shot and killed him, we're still trying to work that out.
But possibly five people shot. A 14-year-old student upset about a suspension for getting into a fight. It's pretty much devastated this high school, a special academy for students basically wanting that extra edge.
It's technology infused in the curriculum. They go there for special attention on technology classes. So it could be one of those academies for gifted students who have a chance to just take it a step further and specialize in their area of studies. So, it will be interesting to find out more background on this 14-year-old shooter, who is now dead.
LEMON: You can just imagine, parents, or anyone who is in this area, the Cleveland area, and you hear -- oh my gosh, on the radio and television. If you're watching CNN and you see this. We're going to listen live to some of the parents and people who are showing up there to try to see what is going on with their kids.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There were a lot of other students who were also following you out?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what was happening then, inside? Were you hearing screaming or more gunshots?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Screaming, gunshots, everything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How many gunshots did you hear?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard two. That's -- because I just ran out. I just heard two.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And are you waiting now to meet up with your parents, or what is the situation with that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of parents are supposed to meet up in the studio. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And have you been able to talk to your parents today? Were you able to call them when this was happening or after?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what did you do? Did you just let them know you were OK?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Uh-huh.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And tell us about the school. Why students choose to go to this school? It does have a great reputation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is it about the school that made you want to go here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My cousin went here. He was getting good grades. he was on the basketball team. So mostly I came here because actually I heard it was a business school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we also heard that there was some kind after fight and a student was suspended. Was there a lot of talk about that, in the school today or yesterday?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, I mean, I was the student's friend, the one who shot up the school. But, you know, he always came in, tell about how he worshipped the devil and all that. I didn't think he actually meant all that. I thought he was doing that because he was just trying to be popular.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You were friends with the student that they are saying may have brought the gun to school?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (answers cell phone): Hello?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So we're talking with a student who just left the building earlier in the day when did he hear the gunshots. He was just telling us that the 14-year-old, who people have been saying was suspended earlier in the week, he was friends with him.
Can you tell me did he say anything to you about any kind of plans that he had?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said if he would shoot up the school he would let me and some other dude he knew go, and all that. But I didn't think he actually meant it. I thought he was just kidding around.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When did he say that to you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like around -- between, a month ago.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And had you ever heard anything like that from him before? Did he seem like he had a lot of problems?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He just came to school every day saying (EXPLETIVE DELETED) the world, and all this. I didn't think he actually meant that, so.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, thank you so much for talking to us. We appreciate you talking to us. Of course more details are going to be coming out.
(END LIVE FEED, IN PROGRESS)
LEMON: Wow. If what he's saying is true it's actually very frightening there. You can see, just -- if we go back to that live picture, what his parent, his mom is just showing up on the scene there. At least a relative who is happy to see her son. Do we want to listen in to this, or do we want to go to the other? Let's take a listen.
(BEGIN LIVE FEED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your son called you earlier. Tell me what he said to you. I know you have been waiting to see him now this afternoon.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said someone shooting in the building. And he heard, he thought he heard like a loud, like a chair being thrown. But then he heard two shots, and him and his cousin ran downstairs, and out the building. And then they called 911.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you have been waiting to see him, obviously, this afternoon?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. So everything is blocked off and with security. So we just hope and pray for the families if anyone is hurt. He says two teachers were shot. They were good teachers. So hopefully everyone is OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know you're so relieved to see him here, and be able to talk to him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yes! Yes, yes!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you so much for talking with us. I appreciate it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're welcome.
(END LIVE FEED)
LEMON: So, you can just imagine that mom's relief. Yeah.
LEMON: You can imagine that just parents, as a matter of fact, why don't we take a listen to some of the parents showing up on the scene just moments after they heard about the shooting. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have with me another parent. His name is Charles and he's the president of the parent organization here. And he is some information about the security inside this building he would like to share with us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Basically, when the school started, my son was a first graduating class at our school. The school had a security guard assigned to the floors. On the third, fourth and fifth floor, we had our own security person. And what happened is they took him, just reassigned him. We have been fighting to get security back for the last two, three years, they keep denying it.
The parents have written petitions, everything. We have no metal detectors in the building. It's just ridiculous. The building went from 15 kids in the class to over 30 in the class, which is totally unacceptable. We have empty classrooms. We've got kids sitting on top of kids. Tension was high in the school, it's just too crowded.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LEMON: So that's one of the parents showing up. A deadly school shooting in Ohio. We're going to continue to follow this developing story right here in the CNN NEWSROOM and that is -- those are the pictures, the sad pictures of the injured being carried on the stretchers, and then taken to the hospital. This story is not over yet. We're going to continue to follow it -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: Getting another word of another story that's developing right now outside of Baltimore. Apparently the Embassy Suites collapsed there in Baltimore, Maryland. Fredricka Whitfield working that, as well.
Fred, what have you been able to find out?
WHITFIELD: Yeah, I know. When it rains it pours.
This just right outside the Baltimore area, in Hunt Valley, Maryland. It seems as though everybody is familiar with the Embassy Suites Hotel, and the set up of it. You know, the hotel being full of suites. And then it has like a large atrium section in the middle of the hotel, where the people are able to eat, and that's the registration area.
Well, we understand at this Embassy Suites, in Hunt Valley, Maryland, just north of Baltimore that the atrium -- there you can see in this wider view -- see to the right that gaping hole. That glass atrium apparently has collapsed and descended right down into the lobby area, the restaurant area, collapsing there.
And this Embassy Suites looks like it's a good eight or nine stories high. That's quite the fall. But then in this wider view, just look at the parking lot area. Well, perhaps if we pull out again, you'll see that the parking lot is fairly vacant. So maybe, just hopefully, this was not a crowded atrium area at the time. There, you can see the parking lot looks fairly empty. But there are some cars. There may have been some people. Maybe not a host of folks, but we're not hearing anything about reported injuries or anything like that.
But certainly a scary situation at what looks to be as I try to count real quick maybe six floors tall, there at the Embassy Suite. Pretty frightening of a notion to see the glass top atrium would simply collapse and give way there, crashing down on to the floor. Let's hope nobody got injured there. Still trying to work some sources and find out more detail there, just outside of the Baltimore area -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right, our affiliate WBAL bringing us those pictures. Fred, we'll continue to check in on that roof collapse there at the Embassy Suites in Baltimore. Thanks.
LEMON: Also new details on another breaking news story that we've been following throughout the afternoon here in the CNN NEWSROOM.
These are live pictures coming from Cleveland, Ohio. A school shooting there where at least three people have been shot. Not sure of their conditions. Also know according to one of our affiliates, the gunman in all of this, who caused these shootings, that gunman has been shot. And we're told he has been killed.
All of this video you're seeing, raw video, live video coming in. And also live interviews. We don't have control over it when they come in. So some of the pictures may be a little bit stronger than what you're used to seeing, and also the language, as well. So just want to give you a bit of a warning there. But we're doing it as it happens. So it's unfolding right here in the NEWSROOM.
But, again, three people, that's all we know. Three people, first there were reports of five people who may have been injured. Not exactly sure if one of the three in all of this is the gunman. But we hear that this gunman was a student.
And you heard one of the students on the ground there saying that he was a bit of an odd student -- that's according to the student, we don't know if this is true or not -- who made certain claims and threats against other students. Saying that he was unhappy with the school and what have you. And then -- but they never thought he would do anything like this.
And then according to the police and witnesses -- you can see the scene there is, people who are just seeing the loved ones, hugging, there on the ground. Again, live pictures and you can imagine how happy you or I would be to see someone if we knew that they had been hold up in the school with a gunman who was on a rampage.
But again, getting back to this student running through the hallways with a gun in each hand. The principal comes on the intercom, says code blue. Everyone runs. Some people are hiding in closets, some people under desks. And really just fleeing for their lives. Those who couldn't get out. Those are the one whose ran into the closets and under the desks, as well.
But, again, live pictures there from the ground, people being reunited with their loved ones.
PHILLIPS: If you are just tuning in, you're watching here live via our affiliate WEWS out of Cleveland, Ohio. A 14-year-old student was upset about a suspension. Apparently he had gotten into a fight here with another student, possibly a couple of students at Success Tech Academy in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. He came back to that school today, a gun in each hand, started walking down the hallways. Possibly two teachers hit.
We did see three individuals taken out on stretchers into ambulances and headed to the medical center there, in Cleveland, Ohio. Not sure about the number of how many people were shot. We heard up to five, definitely three. We're still working that information.
And then we got word that the suspect was still on the loose inside the academy. The SWAT team was called in. Also, other members of the police department there in Cleveland, Ohio. Then we heard shortly after that, that the gunman was under control. We found out that he was, either shot dead by police, or had taken the gun on himself. We're not quite sure how he died at this point.
I can tell you right now that the SWAT team made entry and that shooter opened fire on them, or anybody else. That's their job is to take out the threat. Either the SWAT team members of the police department were able to shoot that young student and take that threat away from anybody else being harmed -- or that student took the gun and took his life.
We will working that obviously and we'll bring the details to you. You're seeing just moments ago, live, the students, now the gunman has been found dead. These students carefully being taken out of the academy. A lot of them were hiding in closets, hiding in classrooms, hiding on various floors, inside that school. And once they got the all clear they started coming out one by one, the police escorting them, getting them out of that academy and connecting with their parents.
LEMON: And to go along with the information that you're reporting there, Kyra, according to the school superintendent there, he says that counselors and psychologists -- which may be the cause for the delay here, when we saw those people coming out hugging -- he says psychologists are meeting with the students and parents are being notified. He says children are being questioned before being reunited with their parents. So I would imagine that police and staff members are questioning the kids to see if they saw anything before they have to secure, get all the information they can before the kids go home with their parents.
Also, this is according to the mayor, the Associated Press, I should say, saying that the Cleveland mayor is saying that three young people were taken to the hospital, which would lead us to believe that there are possibly students. No confirmation on that. That's just, again, what the associated press is reporting on this story. PHILLIPS: Success Tech Academy, apparently a specialized high school for students that want to focus on technology related classes. It specializes in that, usually the students that come here are above average students, are accepted into this program. They have smaller classrooms. And they not only get a regular high school education, but there's a special emphasis on technology. So, if you're wondering exactly what the academy is, that's the mission of this school.
We're going to take a quick break. We're following these developments. At least three people shot. The gunman, a 14-year-old student, disgruntled about a suspension is dead. The SWAT team and police there in Cleveland, Ohio, bringing students out to be reunited with their parents. We'll keep following it. We'll be right back.
PHILLIPS: At least three people shot, possibly more, at this academy in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. It's called the Success Tech Academy. Apparently a 14-year-old disgruntled student had gotten into a fight, possibly yesterday, was put on suspension, not happy about it, came back to the school wielding two guns. One in each hand, walking down the hallways.
We're getting reports that two teachers were shot. Definitely three people -- at least three people -- have been shot, possibly more. The SWAT team was called in. Also local police there in Cleveland, Ohio, they entered that building trying to get students out in a safe manner, while the shooter was still on the loose inside that academy.
They were able to locate him, not quite sure if police shot the shooter, or if he took his own life. We're still trying to confirm that. But he is dead. The 14-year-old student is dead. The one that opened fire on student and teachers there at the Success Tech Academy in Cleveland, Ohio.
Just a moment ago we had a chance to hear from a number of parents and students. Here is one of the young men that attends that academy and what he saw.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This dude might come up here and shoot us up. I'm like, man, I ain't coming here. So, by the end of today, he came up, shoot it up. I'm like, I heard the gunshots around the corner. I'm like I hear and I hear one gunshot. I'm like dang they're shooting. But I'm just playing, because we always hear loud noises and what not.
I'm like, dang, they shooting. And then I hear like, blam, blam, blam, I hear like three more gunshots. I'm like, oh, smack, then I hear like, ah! And I see 20 people running across, from the hallway. So I see they running. I'm running, too.
Once they come running, I'm running down the stairs and whatnot. I run straight down the stairs. They came out the third floor, too. I run straight down the stairs, and I met up with about six other people. We ran. We ran down that way. It was right down there, through the back of the FBI.
And then when we got here, we we're beating on the window like, let us in! Let us in! And the lady looking at us like we're crazy. We are like let us in the door. He's shooting. She's like, no, you all can't. No, no. So we we're like man forget you. So we go over to here, to the mental retardation center and then we get in, you know what I'm saying? Then we see the news. We were like the first people out, though. I was like the first person out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was the first person out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you weren't out before me. That why ain't nobody seen me. Because we were in that building over there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't matter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Man, it don't matter, though. It really doesn't matter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two people got trampled, too.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you know the shooter, did you say?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I knew that dude was crazy, man.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (OFF MIC)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You had to hear'em.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nah, you just knew it, you know it. You know when people are crazy, come on, man.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was in my class.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. He always wore a trench coat.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (OFF MIC)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had a pistol belt.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (OFF MIC)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The pistol when right there, but it wasn't like there was a pistol in the belt, I mean a pistol belt?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't see that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You saw it, but you ain't know what it was. You saw it. I asked him what it was. He was like it was a pistol belt.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He carried a gun?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no. It was a pistol belt. It wasn't no gun. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (OFF MIC)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The belt was visible. It was around his leg.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He'd wear it where, around his leg?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was around his leg.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever say anything to any of the teachers?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Man, one of the teachers was standing right there. I ain't gonna say her name. But it was heard. She was standing right there, she saw what happened. She saw me asking if it was a pistol belt and whatnot. She saw exactly, but she kept on, oh, she ain't say nothing. She just laughed it off, because the dude was laughing when he told me. He was standing with this dude, they was laughing. And I'm laughing too, I'm like. This is crazy, but I'm laughing with it. And she started laughing, too.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PHILLIPS: Well, they're talking about the 14-year-old student opened fire today, which obviously is no laughing matter. But those students said they knew the 14-year-old shooter. Said he had showed up before at school, with a pistol holster, without a gun wearing a trench coat. They said they thought he was crazy. He had made certain threats before. They didn't really take him seriously.
Well, today he definitely meant business when he showed up at that academy with two guns, opened fire. At least three people shot. Two of them possibly teachers, there maybe more. We're still trying to confirm that. Members of the SWAT team there in Cleveland, Ohio, entered in on that academy. Found that 14-year-old student. Don't know if they shot him and killed him because he was a threat to the other people around him there in the academy, the fact that he had already opened fire on individuals, as well -- or if he took the gun on himself.
We just got word, also, from the Mayor Frank Jackson, there in Cleveland, Ohio, this is what he had to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MAYOR FRANK JACKSON, CLEVELAND: To give you an update, we said three children, but I want to give you an update. We have a 42-year- old male, 57-year-old male, 17-year-old male, 14-year-old male, and a 14-year-old female, who hurt her knee as a result of the incident.
QUESTION: Could you run through that list one more time?
JACKSON: Yeah, it's a 42-year-old male, 57-year-old male, 17- year-old male, 14-year-old male, and a 14-year-old female, who hurt her knee during the incident. you know, as things were occurring.
All the children are in stable, good condition. One of the males, the 57-year-old male, is a little elevated in terms of his condition. And the 42-year-old male is also a little elevated, above the children. But all the children at this time are in stable condition.
QUESTION: Mayor, could you give as you better description of the adults?
JACKSON: I won't be able to do that now because I don't -- that's why I came out so I can give you accurate information. I said there were three children. There are three children, but there are also two adults. So as I get information, we'll be back out. You won't have to wait long. As soon as we get it we'll update you.
QUESTION: Mayor, has the shooter been dispatched?
JACKSON: They have the shooter. And we will get to you as soon as I can give you more information.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you very much. We'll come out again --
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PHILLIPS: Once again, Mayor Frank Jackson, there in Cleveland, Ohio, responding to the shooting there as Success Tech Academy this afternoon.
LEMON: Here's what he is saying, he's saying a 42-year-old male, 57-year-old male, 17-year-old male, a 14-year-old male, and then a 14- year-old female who hurt her knee. Now the 14-year-old wondering if that is the gunman, because we're hearing three people injured and then the gunman dead.
But according to the mayor, Fredricka Whitfield, if you were listening, he said the juveniles or the children, as he put it, were in stable condition, but the two adults, the 42-year-old and the 57- year-old were in elevated above that. They must be in a little bit more serious condition than the students or the younger folk in all of this.
Still he tried to clarify but still may need a little bit more clarification. We're told it's three. According to him, it's four with possible gunshots or injuries, besides that other person with the knee injury.
WHITFIELD: That is right. That's what we're hearing from that mayor, at least four people shot, including what appear to be two teachers, that 42 and 57-year-old. As many as five hurt altogether with the one young lady who had an injury of the knee.
Just to give you an idea -- this is really kind of out of the pages of how can it happen here. This is why parents felt so comfortable with their kids going to the school it's a school for really exceptional children, particularly those that are technology based, in their learning and their aspirations.
And so much so of a promising environment, but this was the school that was in part funded by a grant by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. So that students there would have computers, each student having a computer and that lessons would be utilized by video conferencing, and on line learning and digital photography. So, indeed a very promising school, a great academic environment, and this was a school that so many parents were proud that their children would be attending.
And so for something like this to happen, something so disruptive, so disturbing and so potentially tragic here, it really is very perplexing for so many people involved. That's why you're seeing so many parent who've rushed to the scene and kids who are shattered and in tears, of how this could possibly happen in their school.
Even though you heard, Don and Kyra, from one of the parents who said many parents have complained about the security being lacking for this school. That is right downtown in Cleveland. Lots of questions still for a lot of those who are investigating how this possibly could have happened. How a student, armed, could permeate what should be a secure environment and open fire and cause so much harm.
LEMON: You make a good point, because after sadly you know we deal with these situations periodically here in the news. And you always hear from students and people there on the scene; well, this person was odd. This person, you know, was crazy in some way. And but what were the signs? How do you know when to act, when someone is just a bit eccentric, or if they have the potential to do something like this? And when you see --
WHITFIELD: Right, and --
LEMON: Go ahead.
WHITFIELD: And still unclear whether indeed that alleged gunman, this 14-year-old student, was shot or whether it was a self-inflicted wound. But we know from authorities there that that person is dead. And, unfortunately, that person hold a lot of those answers, that we may never really know what brought that child to this point.
LEMON: Yes, as it happens in many of these cases. Fredricka, continue to get some new information, but I want to say just sitting here reading, according to the Associated Press, one mother said she got a call at home from her son who said that he was, he had been shot in the arm, and he was on his way to the hospital. And so she ran to the scene. Also has a daughter at the school, her daughter called her when the shooting started. And she said, Mommy, they are shooting in here, kids are running and I'm hiding in the closet. And then she called her 18-year-old son, on his cell phone, and he told her he had been shot in the arm.
WHITFIELD: So terrible.
LEMON: Yes. So, Fred, thank you, we're going to check back and get some new information for us.
Again, the mayor just came out, Mayor Frank Jackson, said that two adults, two older people, I should say, 42 and 57, and then three younger people, ranging in age 17 to 14 had been injured. One from the knee, but the other four people had been shot in this school shooting.
PHILLIPS: Another story that we're following is out of Baltimore, Maryland. A roof collapsed at the Embassy Suites Atrium. We're working details on that and we'll bring you more right after a quick break. You're watching CNN, the most trusted name in news.
PHILLIPS: And if you're just tuning in, we're following that school shooting that happened in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. We can tell you right now five people have been injured, two adults, two teachers, and three kids. The two adults more seriously injured. Those three kids, those three students, in stable condition right now. This is what happened, a 14-year-old student was upset about a suspension for getting into a fight. He came back to that school today, a gun in each hand. Walking down the hallways and then opening fire.
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