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NANCY GRACE

Bounty Hunter Offers Croslin Bond for Information

Aired February 4, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Satsuma, Florida, a 5- year-old girl tucked into bed, five hours later, she`s gone. Daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little Haleigh. Last person to see her alive, new stepmother 18-year-old Misty Croslin, who takes to the airwaves to claim she`s innocent. But even in that one brief interview, she can`t keep her story straight, including a 180 on a lie detector she flunked.

Bombshell tonight. After Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings, and baby- sitter-turned-stepmother Misty Croslin both handcuffed, arrested, booked, Cummings talks first. Stepmother Misty Croslin does the same. As we go to air, more jailhouse tapes, video and audio, hours -- hours -- of Misty Croslin yakking, hours of visits with Mommy, Daddy, grandmother, brother, all caught on video. At this hour, investigators combing the tapes for evidence that may help find Haleigh.

Croslin cracking behind bars, desperate, sobbing to get out of jail now, admitting to repeat drug sales, even ratting out her own brother on a felony. And claims tonight from behind bars her drug deals are to blame for little Haleigh`s disappearance. Why? Then she reveals she`s got information she will use to get out of jail.

This as we learn the same bounty hunter who bailed out tot mom Casey Anthony now considering the same thing for Croslin. Evidence emerging Croslin did not want to be bothered baby-sitting the night Haleigh disappears. With Haleigh`s father still in isolation tonight, pressure mounting. Where is 5-year-old Haleigh?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S BABY-SITTER: I`m going to prison. I`m telling you.

TIM CROSLIN, MISTY`S BROTHER: For how long?

MISTY CROSLIN: I`ve got eight -- eight trafficking charges.

TIM CROSLIN: Huh?

MISTY CROSLIN: I have eight trafficking charges.

TIM CROSLIN: How long do you think you`re going to do?

MISTY CROSLIN: About 21 years.

TIM CROSLIN: No! You`re not going to do 21 years.

MISTY CROSLIN: I`m going to prison. Donna is going to prison. Ronald is going to prison. We`re all going to prison, Tim, unless I can come out and tell them something.

TIM CROSLIN: Huh?

MISTY CROSLIN: Unless I come out and tell them something. That`s the only way I`m not going.

TIM CROSLIN: Well, what do you know, Sis?

MISTY CROSLIN: Tim, I don`t.

TIM CROSLIN: You don`t know nothing?

MISTY CROSLIN: No, bubba.

HANK CROSLIN, MISTY`S FATHER: Who was you (INAUDIBLE) getting all these (EXPLETIVE DELETED) pills from?

MISTY CROSLIN: I know, man. It sucks. It should have listened to you.

HANK CROSLIN: I told you, don`t be getting into that (EXPLETIVE DELETED) game, man. I told you it wasn`t no good.

MISTY CROSLIN: I know, Daddy.

HANK CROSLIN: And now your brother`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and you`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED), and I can`t handle it, man.

MISTY CROSLIN: It`s OK. I`m going to -- Dad, it`s going to be OK. I will get out. They`re not going to keep me forever.

LISA CROSLIN, MISTY`S MOTHER: I don`t want you in there at all!

MISTY CROSLIN: Yes, but you know, what -- I got to learn the lesson. I`m OK, you guys. I`m really OK. I`m doing fine. I mean, I hate being in here. Of course I do. Robert Fields is trying to bond me out right now. He`s trying to get me out. But if he doesn`t, then, you know, I`ll be here. There`s nothing I can do about it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. As we go to air, we obtain more jailhouse tapes, secretly recorded video and audio, hours of Misty Croslin yakking, including hours of visits with Mommy, Daddy, grandmother, brother, all caught on video. At this hour, investigators combing the tapes for evidence that may help find Haleigh.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MISTY CROSLIN: Dude, you guys have to send me some money. I`m so hungry!

CHELSEA CROSLIN: OK. I promise. As soon as we -- hopefully, we`ll get our taxes on our card tomorrow, and we`ll send you at least $100.

MISTY CROSLIN: I`m so hungry! They don`t feed you anything, and I`m just so hungry!

CHELSEA CROSLIN: God, she`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) hungry! They`re starving her. Hold on. Here`s Tim.

TIM CROSLIN: Hello?

MISTY CROSLIN: Hey, bubba.

TIM CROSLIN: Hey, Sis. How`re you doing?

MISTY CROSLIN: I`m hungry! We get to ear at 4:00 in the morning. We get to eat at 11:30, and then we eat at 4:00 again in the afternoon, and that`s all we get to eat.

TIM CROSLIN: I know, (EXPLETIVE DELETED) food, huh?

MISTY CROSLIN: Yes. I be eating it because I be hungry.

TIM CROSLIN: You got to do what you got to do to survive.

MISTY CROSLIN: I just want some (EXPLETIVE DELETED) good food.

TOMMY CROSLIN: I might not even be going to prison, Wendy (ph). I don`t have a felony record. They`re just trying to scare us, dude.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not talking to nobody.

TOMMY CROSLIN: Don`t talk to nobody.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re not.

TOMMY CROSLIN: I`m telling you. People done told me in here and people -- I don`t have no felony record, I might have to sit here for four months, five months until I go to court, but I ain`t going to prison.

GRANDMOTHER: Well, your mother said to tell you that Pop said to tell you that be careful what you say because they got a snitch in there with you.

RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S FATHER: Oh, I know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Art Harris, investigative journalist at Artharris.com. What is the latest, Art? I understand there`s actually a possibility that Leonard Padilla may try to bail her out.

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: I`ve spoken to Leonard Padilla, Nancy, and he is very willing to do it, says he has the wherewithal, like he did in the Anthony case, but he needs some blessing from her lawyer. I know he`s in touch, or trying to be in touch with the family, but has not gotten the green light yet.

GRACE: Art Harris, what else is happening? More of these jailhouse audio and videotapes released, hours of her talking to mother, daddy, grandmother, brother. And in fact, I noticed in one of these tapes as we were all listening to them, she says, Well, I might go ahead and break down and talk to investigators and tell them something in order to get out.

HARRIS: She does say that, Nancy, and it`s unclear what that is. And you know, who needs detectives when you have, you know, a defendant accused, speaking freely, confessing to her parents, which, you know, can - - you know, they can use these tapes in court. And she is just saying one thing after another that is burying her in the drug case.

But what people want to know and investigators want to know is what can they find in here that will lead them to Haleigh? I`m told that they have redacted this so that there`s a lot, Nancy, that we have not heard. I mean, we`ve heard so much, but only the police know a chunk of information that she did say we don`t know.

GRACE: Everyone, tonight, we get -- we obtain more of those secretly recorded jailhouse tapes. Misty Croslin, the key to the answer, where is 5-year-old Haleigh. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MOTHER: Hello?

MISTY CROSLIN: Hey, Mama.

MOTHER: Hey, baby. What are you doing?

MISTY CROSLIN: Don`t cry because you`re going to make me cry, and I can`t handle it.

MOTHER: I`m so scared for you!

MISTY CROSLIN: I know. It`s OK. I need you to go over to Tina`s and get my cell phone and stuff and my camera and wallet and everything, and I want you both to come visit me.

MOTHER: It`s got to be approved because I don`t know, probation, they have to approve (INAUDIBLE) come and see you.

HANK CROSLIN: We got no gas money.

MOTHER: And we ain`t got no gas right now. But they did approve me and we`re going to get up there one day this week, hopefully.

HANK CROSLIN: I love you, baby.

MISTY CROSLIN: Because I really want to see you guys.

MOTHER: Huh?

MISTY CROSLIN: I said I really want to see you guys.

MOTHER: I`m coming to see you, I promise, OK?

MISTY CROSLIN: OK. I mean, I can talk for 15 minutes, but...

MOTHER: OK. I love you! Your dad wants to say something.

MISTY CROSLIN: OK. I love you, too.

TIM CROSLIN: Hello?

MISTY CROSLIN: Hey, bubba.

TIM CROSLIN: Hey, Sis.

MISTY CROSLIN: Bubba, can you please try to get me out?

TIM CROSLIN: They`re working on it right now, baby sis.

MISTY CROSLIN: How? Who`s working on it?

TIM CROSLIN: I think your lawyer`s working on getting you out.

MISTY CROSLIN: Do you know how -- how long?

TIM CROSLIN: Huh?

MISTY CROSLIN: Do you know how long?

TIM CROSLIN: No, Sis, I don`t.

MISTY CROSLIN: You got income tax?

TIM CROSLIN: Even with my income tax, Sis, I still couldn`t (INAUDIBLE) You`re at a million-dollar bond. Half that...

MISTY CROSLIN: Ten percent would be $9,500.

TIM CROSLIN: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. It seems as if they`re living in a parallel universe. They don`t get it. They`re in jail. They`re looking at 180 years behind bars.

Out to you, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychologist (SIC), author of "Deal Breakers." We`re about to open up the lines. What do you make of this? We also heard her say -- I heard her say in some of these tapes that she`s on, I guess -- it seemed to be anti-depressants, Prozac and/or Zoloft they`re giving her at the jail. How is that going to help her dry out and remember what happened the night Haleigh went missing?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, she may be on psychotropic medication to stabilize her while she`s detoxing. But Nancy, I do not see her as vulnerable, frightened or scared. I think she`s jonesing for her next hit. And I listened to all these...

GRACE: What does that mean, jumping from her next hit?

MARSHALL: Jonesing -- jonesing for her next hit. If she`s an opiate abuser and she`s detoxed and she`s behind bars, she`s desperate for her next hit. Did you hear the desperation, the manipulation, the pleading? She calls her own grandmother and tries to get her grandmother to fork over $10,000 to bail her out. She doesn`t care about the grandmother. She cares about her next hit.

And if Leonard Padilla bails her out and she goes back on drugs, the detectives will have lost all the leverage they have with her. The only leverage to get this girl to tell the truth is that she can get out or do - - she`s not thinking plea bargain, she`s just thinking can she do her next -- I keep using the word hit, opiates, whatever. I think that`s what she`s on. That`s their leverage to get her to tell the truth.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live, and joining us tonight is Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who`s offering to bond Misty Croslin out of jail. Leonard, you managed to work a miracle and get tot mom out of jail until that fell apart. Do you think you`re going to try the same strategy in this case?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: No, absolutely not. I learned my lesson there. This situation would only resolve in her being bailed out if she gave us information that led us to the child prior to her being released on bail. We would not put the bail down until she gave us the information and the child was found. And I`ve made that clear to everybody. Some people don`t want to understand that, but I`ve made it very clear.

Now, I`m not saying that the law enforcement method is not going to work. All I`m doing is coming up with an option and the fact that the attorney can pay me for, you know, $2 or a small stipend. He would feel comfortable as being covered by the attorney-client privilege. When you work for an attorney, you have his privilege also.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MISTY CROSLIN: (INAUDIBLE) Robert Fields at all?

TIM CROSLIN: Yes, he -- we talked to him a couple times.

MISTY CROSLIN: What is he saying?

TIM CROSLIN: I don`t want to say on the phone.

MISTY CROSLIN: Oh, am I getting a long time?

TIM CROSLIN: Huh?

MISTY CROSLIN: Am I getting a long time?

TIM CROSLIN: No, it`s not -- nothing about that, it`s -- I can`t -- I can`t talk on the phone, Misty, about it because it`s recorded and he doesn`t want no one to know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRANDMOTHER: Hello?

MISTY CROSLIN: Grandma, I love you! Can you please accept my phone call?

GRANDMOTHER: Do what?

MISTY CROSLIN: Will you accept to talk to me, please?

GRANDMOTHER: I`m talking to you, honey.

MISTY CROSLIN: Grandma, I don`t want to be in here!

GRANDMOTHER: Misty, I know you don`t. I don`t want you in there, honey, but there`s -- we do -- we kept telling you, honey, to stay away from that stuff. You can`t do that.

MISTY CROSLIN: I need someone to try to bail me out!

GRANDMOTHER: I have no money. Your dad owes me money. Now I can`t even pay my -- my payment for my house insurance -- or not insurance but...

MISTY CROSLIN: Can you get ahold of Dad and tell him to put some minutes on my phone so they can talk to me and come down and visit me?

GRANDMOTHER: I can`t get ahold of him, either. He don`t have a phone. He calls me.

MISTY CROSLIN: When he -- when he calls you, will you please tell him to...

GRANDMOTHER: Yes, I will.

MISTY CROSLIN: Because I really can`t handle this, Grandma!

GRANDMOTHER: I know you couldn`t, and I -- I wish there was something could be done, but...

MISTY CROSLIN: I just need to get bailed out!

GRANDMOTHER: The money that they want to bail you out, there`s nobody got that kind of...

MISTY CROSLIN: I`m OK, like, you know, I don`t like being in St. John`s County because it sucks.

MOTHER: How long are you locked down a day?

MISTY CROSLIN: All day, but I get out two times a day for an hour.

MOTHER: Oh.

MISTY CROSLIN: I just went to see the mental health today, so they`re going to be giving me some Zoloft or something, some Prozac or something for my nerves and (EXPLETIVE DELETED). And she`s going to get me out of lockdown, she said, maybe. I might be out of here tomorrow.

MOTHER: That`s cool.

MISTY CROSLIN: Yes.

Dude, you guys have to send me some money. I`m so hungry!

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Misty, OK, I promise. Soon as we have -- hopefully, we`ll get our taxes on our card tomorrow and we`ll send you at least $100.

MISTY CROSLIN: I`m so hungry! They don`t feed you anything, and I`m just so hungry!

CHELSEA CROSLIN: God, she`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) hungry! They`re starving her. Hold on. Here`s Tim.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She`s not starving. Number one, lunch, exhibit A, hot dog with mustard and/or ketchup, baked beans, macaroni salad, bread, cookie, calcium-fortified beverage. I had half of a hamburger patty that I made for everybody else yesterday. That was lunch. Dinner -- chicken patty with gravy, mashed potatoes, cornbread, fruit cup, juice. I had some saltine crackers.

Eleanor Odom, what did you have?

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Haven`t had dinner yet. Had a bag of chips on the run. You know, she`s getting fed in prison.

GRACE: All this whining! You know, Bethany Marshall -- Dr. Bethany Marshall was just talking about her manipulating her whole family. Her grandmother has now missed a house note. Can`t pay the house note. And she`s asking Grandma to give her money to get out of jail, this after she confesses to relatives on video to eight or nine illegal drug sales.

We`re taking your calls live. We`re going to unleash the lawyers. But first to Paula, New York. Hi, Paula.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, Nancy. We love you in New York.

GRACE: Bless you. And thank you for calling in. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I have a question and a comment. First of all, the night that Haleigh disappeared, and the police did come to the house that night, assume that they did search it -- it`s interesting to me that since the father and the girlfriend were both using and selling illegal prescription narcotics, why were there or were there any narcotics found in the home? And if there weren`t, wouldn`t this mean that the parents contaminated a crime scene by quickly getting rid of large amounts of oxycodone or hydrocodone from the premises?

GRACE: That is an excellent observation, Paula. Out to you, Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, In Session. I noticed that every time this undercover cop would approach Misty Croslin-Cummings for dope, she would pick up the phone or contact somebody else and make the connection. She didn`t have it herself, which may have explained what happened. But if they`re users, you`d expect to find it in the home, Jean.

JEAN CASAREZ, IN SESSION: That`s right. Now, at that time, remember, Ronald was at work the night, she was at home or somewhere. I don`t think we ever had confirmation about drug use, drug selling at that point of time, right then. At this point, the charges are filed. But at that point, I`m not sure we have confirmation of it. But it`s true, what Donna (SIC) is saying. Nothing was found in the house, and there was a search.

GRACE: Art Harris, even at the get-go, we were getting reports here that they were involved in drug sales. But they were unconfirmed reports, and they, in my mind, seemed to take focus off of finding Haleigh. But those reports were out there way back when.

HARRIS: That`s right, Nancy. And Ron had a lot of arrests. Now, I chronicled Misty`s party for three days before, where three witnesses told me she was taking copious amounts of drugs, roxycodone and other things, and was totally strung out when she came home. So anything could have happened after that, and she probably was jonesing then.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HANK CROSLIN: I only got a couple -- I only got a couple more weeks left over there and I have to be out. Lindsay`s moving out this week sometime. So I don`t know how that`s going to work out. I mean, when I get it straightened out, I`ll get some minutes put on the phone, but you ain`t going to get a call every day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HANK CROSLIN: How`re you doing, baby?

MISTY CROSLIN: Hanging in there.

HANK CROSLIN: Oh, so...

MISTY CROSLIN: Yes. I`m doing all right.

HANK CROSLIN: Your brother`s taking it pretty hard.

MISTY CROSLIN: Yes.

HANK CROSLIN: Tommy`s taking it pretty hard.

MISTY CROSLIN: Why?

HANK CROSLIN: Because he`s away from his baby and he`s going to prison.

MISTY CROSLIN: I know. I am, too.

HANK CROSLIN: I know. Hope not.

MISTY CROSLIN: I hope not, too. We`ll see, though.

MOTHER: God, I hope and pray not!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Alice in Canada. Hi, Alice.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: How are you, dear? What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it`s more like a comment or...

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It could be a question. Right from the beginning, Ronald Cummings said he came home from the night shift at 3:15 in the morning. What night shift stops at 3:15? Night shift starts at midnight and goes to at least 8:00. That always bothered me. Like, where -- how come he came home so early?

GRACE: You know, I think you`ve got a point, Alice in Canada. I recall my father worked the night shift. Called it the night trick, I believe he called it. Hold on just a moment.

To you, Marlaina Schiavo, our producer on the story. How did that work? I know that he is alibied for that time, but that is an unusual time to get off of the night shift.

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: It is an unusual time, Nancy, but he didn`t get off at 3:15, he got home at 3:15. He lived, like, over a half an hour from his home (SIC). So he went to -- so he went to work in the early evening. It`s sort of like the mid-shift. There was the early, three was the mid, and then there`s...

GRANDMOTHER: Got it.

SCHIAVO: ... the midnight.

GRACE: Joining me right now again, Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter. He`s offered to bond out Croslin. As you recall, he did the same thing with tot mom Casey Anthony in the hopes she would talk. I see an arm coming around your neck.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: That would be -- OK. Not going to go there. Leonard, what`s the deal on this. How did you get roped into this one?

PADILLA: I don`t get roped into these things. You know me. Everybody says I`m a publicity hound, all the media calls me, says, What are you going to do about it? So I figured, hey, this was an opportune time (INAUDIBLE) media and get back on the NANCY GRACE show.

GRACE: OK, now, be -- honestly. Why did you decide...

PADILLA: Now I can be serious.

GRACE: ... to get -- why did you decide to get involved? I know you`re just BSing right now.

PADILLA: Right.

GRACE: Why would you stick your neck out on Misty Croslin in the hope she`s going to tell you something?

PADILLA: Because I think that she`s in a situation, and I saw it last night in her eyes, where she just wants desperately to get out of there. And sometimes, people won`t talk to law enforcement about something, but they will talk to somebody else. We have answers to a lot of questions in the bail bond business, and people talk to us.

I`m not a bail agent. I`m a bounty hunter. I`ve brought back people from Texas and across the county and they`ve given me full confessions on the way back. So it`s a situation where I really honestly believe that with the blessings of her attorney, if it works out the way I`ve suggested, she will give us the information that we need that will lead us to the young lady. That`s all I`m saying. And the bond will be posted if she gives us that information. She`ll be out of jail on her drug case. People are confusing the fact that there`s two cases here. One...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, your mother said to tell you that -- Pop said to tell you that be careful what you say because they got a snitch in there with you.

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: I know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we`re going to get to come and see you twice a week.

CUMMINGS: Good. Good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But 30 minutes at a time.

CUMMINGS: That`s OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But you`re only supposed to have one hour every two weeks. But we talked to Jeff Hardy today and they`re going to let us see you.

CUMMINGS: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One hour, 30 minutes at time, twice a week.

CUMMINGS: OK. Well, let me see, what do I need, what do I need, what do I need? Oh, they said I can have my chains so mother got it or she didn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, you can`t have it either. They told us you can`t.

CUMMINGS: Well, the damn guard in here said I can, so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well.

CUMMINGS: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) I don`t think I washed the damn soap from one of my arms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jeff Hardy says you can`t, so.

CUMMINGS: OK. Well, that`s fine. Whatever.

MISTY CROSLIN, RONALD CUMMING`S EX-WIFE, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: They just put me on some medicine. Thera-tex or something for my nerves. And it`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) made me cold all day. You can`t -- oh yes, another thing, you can`t use your blanket during the day.

TIMMY CROSLIN, MISTY CROSLIN`S BROTHER: What?

M. CROSLIN: Yes, and I be (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I bet she does have a nerve problem. This is after admitting to eight illegal drug sales.

Let`s unleash the lawyers. We`re taking your calls live. Mark Nejame, expert in Florida law, attorney for Texas EquuSearch founder, Tim Miller. Also with us, veteran prosecutor, Atlanta jurisdiction, Eleanor Odom, defense attorney Atlanta, Renee Rockwell, and criminal defense attorney, renowned in his jurisdiction and beyond, Mickey Sherman, author of "How Can You Defend Those People?"

First out to you, Mark Nejame, is anything a secret in Florida? Is every visit -- mommy, daddy, grand mommy, granddaddy, telephone calls, you name it, is everything recorded other than attorneys and preachers, pastor, priests?

MARK NEJAME, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY FOR TEXAS EQUUSEARCH FOUNDER, TIM MILLER: That`s it. There`s no right to privacy, there`s no expectation to privacy. It`s all public and it only helps to seal the case against her.

And what need to be done is that noose is getting much tighter around her as far as a prosecution. If I could say, in light of your last guest, he needs to stay out of it. She`s desperate and she`s in denial. As long as she`s got hope that she`s going to get out, and there`s no way he`s going to be bonding her out.

As long as she`s got hope, she`s not going to be talking. Law enforcement do what law enforcement does, let the prosecution do what prosecution does, and let bounty hunters do what they do. And let`s not try to get confessions from people they -- are never going to get in the first place.

He`s only being counterproductive to finding out what`s really going on here.

GRACE: You know, Renee, she said something extremely interesting to me. She said, yes, I might go ahead and talk to investigators to get out of here. I might tell them something.

Now I don`t know how you took that, but it can be two things. It`s not about the drugs. She doesn`t need to talk about the drugs because they`ve got.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They`ve got her.

GRACE: Videotape.

ROCKWELL: They already have her.

GRACE: There`s got to be something about Haleigh. I mean to you and I, but we`re thinking rationally. But it says to me she`s going to talk but is she going to be telling the truth or just say anything to get out from behind bars, Renee.

ROCKWELL: Well, that`s interesting. It doesn`t tell like they -- that she`s going to tell the truth, but if she tells the wrong person her get-out-of-jail free card, it`s going to come back later to haunt her.

Because, Nancy, if she knows anything, to me, the only thing that`s going to save her these 180 years -- or what if it`s just 18 years that she has to do -- is to go in there with an attorney, with the truth, as long as she`s, of course, not implicated in a homicide, and try to trade off some freedom for some information.

GRACE: Well, out to you, Mickey Sherman. Is there any way under the sun she`s not implicated? Even if she were passed out on the sofa high on Oxycodone, that would still be found negligent homicide or party to a crime for negligence?

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": That`s assuming that she was under the influence of drugs when the child was taken away or something like that. But you know, one -- your caller just a few minutes ago has said that there was no evidence of using any kind of drugs in the place where she was found.

Then also there`s no evidence of sale. Usually when there`s a drug dealing going on, there`s scales, there`s plastic bags, there`s a record, there`s any number of.

GRACE: Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, wait. Back it up, Sherman. We`re not talking about cocaine. We`re not talking about cooking up crack or methamphetamine over in the kitchen in the microwave.

We`re talking about Oxycodone. Why would you have scales? You`re not measuring anything out. You`re counting pills.

SHERMAN: They could be cutting it.

GRACE: You`re a pharmacist.

SHERMAN: They could be cutting it and also there still would be a lot of plastic bags and other containers if she`s selling. And she`s not going to get 180 years once she`s a dope addict. She`s a user. She may have been dealing, but she`s also a user. And that`s not.

GRACE: Put him up. Put him up. Lady Justice -- you can laugh -- is blind. Because if she`s out selling dope, she`s selling dope. She`s no different than the guy out on the street corner selling dope in housing projects.

SHERMAN: If she is addicted, there is a difference.

GRACE: Or the rich guy uptown in his fancy apartment selling dope.

SHERMAN: I disagree.

GRACE: Behind closed doors. They`re all selling dope.

SHERMAN: If she`s a user and an addict, the law takes that into consideration.

GRACE: Well, says you. What about it, Odom?

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: I don`t think so. Sometimes they might if she`s willing to get help. But let`s face it, this was trafficking and drugs. It`s not just selling one or two pills. She is in deep trouble, Nancy.

GRACE: Let`s take a listen, everybody. We`ve gotten our hands on more just-released jailhouse tapes, secretly recording. You know, I don`t know if you`ve ever gotten a call from the jailhouse. I`ve gotten plenty of them collect.

They would actually call the district attorney`s office, collect. Of course, I would take the call to see what they have to say. But you can`t help but hear on the other line, this call is being recorded. So these people have got to know they`re being recorded. They don`t care. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

M. CROSLIN: I got to be strong about this, you know?

T. CROSLIN: Yes, I know.

M. CROSLIN: I`ll be alright, Bubba. I`ll get out. I`ll get out eventually and I`ll be alright. This is a lesson, you know what I mean?

T. CROSLIN: Yes.

M. CROSLIN: I`m learning a lesson. I shouldn`t have did what I did. But it`s not my fault because I shouldn`t be getting charged with all eight of them anyways.

T. CROSLIN: I mean, who met this dude?

M. CROSLIN: John called me and asked if I could get it for him and I said, sure, you know? And then me and Ronald started doing it, and then Tommy did a couple of ones. And then, yeah.

Call Cobra. Cobra said he`d bail me out.

T. CROSLIN: I know. Cobra`s trying to do it and your lawyer is trying to do it right now, sis.

M. CROSLIN: So how long? When is Cobra going to come and let me out?

T. CROSLIN: Don`t know. I don`t know. I`m just hearing it from (EXPLETIVE DELETED) your lawyer and who told you about Cobra?

M. CROSLIN: My lawyer said that -- he said that T.J., thing, T.J. Hart`s thing.

(CROSSTALK)

T. CROSLIN: What did you say?

M. CROSLIN: Robert says he has two thousand so far?

T. CROSLIN: He said that he -- Chelsea said that he said he`s 5,000 short from getting you out.

M. CROSLIN: So we need -- come on. Now I know you guys got families. Chelsea`s got family. Please look.

T. CROSLIN: Huh?

M. CROSLIN: I know Chelsea`s got family. You guys all I got. Please get me out of here.

T. CROSLIN: Misty, I`m trying, honey. I mean, I hate seeing you in there but there`s no one that`s going to give us (EXPLETIVE DELETED) $5,000 like that.

M. CROSLIN: I`ll pay it back.

T. CROSLIN: I know. Don`t worry. You got to keep your head up, Misty. You got to stay strong, Sis. They ain`t going to get you with nothing. You`re not going to be in there forever. I mean there`s a possible that you could end up doing a couple of years, though.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. To Colleen, Massachusetts. Hi, dear.

COLLEEN, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Hi, Nancy. When this first started, when Haleigh first went missing, they brought a cadaver dog in, as I recall, and it hit on the dumpster behind the apartment building several times over a course of a period of week, I believe.

GRACE: Yes.

COLLEEN: What did they follow up on that?

GRACE: What happened with that, Art Harris?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, WWW.ARTHARRIS.COM: That law enforcement searched every dumpster in the county and they even set up a central place where all the trash was taken and they went through it piece by piece and did not find anything.

GRACE: Everyone, a quick break. We are taking your calls live tonight. More of those secretly-recorded jailhouse videos and audios of Misty Croslin, the babysitter turned stepmother, the last person to see little Haleigh alive.

To tonight`s "NG Family Album." Here are photos of the twins -- there they are -- at grand mommy`s house. My mom is a pianist. They`re maestros. And here they are at Central Park in New York looking at the animals.

And now photos from you. Illinois friends, 5-year-old Emily, 4-month- old Haley. Their mommy Chris always watches the show with her two little miracles. Doctors told her she would never have children. Surprise.

And Vancouver mom, Vanessa, and her 4-year-old Solei, who loves to cuddle while watching our show. Vanessa says the show encourages her to cherish every day with her baby girl.

Amen, sister. Thank you, friends.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wish you would have just listened to you dad.

M. CROSLIN: I know. I wish I would have, too. You don`t even know, I think about that all the time. But you know what? I got to learn my own mistakes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, that`s right. And you know better than to do it again?

M. CROSLIN: I will never. When I got out of here, I will not do anything. I`m not smoking cigarettes, I`m not smoking weed. I`m not doing nothing anymore. I`m going to be good.

I`m -- if I go to prison, I`m going to get my GED, I`m going to do what I have to do and when I get out, I`m going to do the right thing and stay with my mom and my dad and not leave them ever again.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love you.

M. CROSLIN: I love you, too. You`re not hanging up until 15 minutes is over.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not, baby, I promise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello?

M. CROSLIN: Grandma, I love you. Can you please accept my phone call?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do what?

M. CROSLIN: Will you accept to talk to me, please?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m talking to you, honey.

M. CROSLIN: Grandma, I don`t want to be in here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Misty, I know you don`t. I don`t want you in there, honey, but there`s -- we kept telling you, honey, to stay away from that stuff. You can`t do that.

M. CROSLIN: I need someone to try to bail me out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no money. Your dad owes me money. Now I can`t even pay my payment for my house insurance or not insurance.

M. CROSLIN: Can you get a hold of dad and tell him to put some minutes on my phones so they can talk to me and come down and visit me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t get a hold of him either. He don`t have a phone. He calls me.

M. CROSLIN: When he get -- when he calls you, will you please tell him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I will.

M. CROSLIN: Because I really can`t handle this, grandma.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know you couldn`t and I wish there was something could be done, but.

M. CROSLIN: I just need to get bailed out.

M. CROSLIN: The money that they want to bail you out, there`s nobody got that kind of money.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s when she`s asking her grandmother for her house payment so she can get out of jail. Now I want to take a shot.

Brett, cue me into the New York control room. There you are. All of these people you`re seeing right now are coming in my ear talking about how they feel sorry for Misty Croslin.

All right. This is the woman that was either integral, key -- look at me, Liz, Brett, Rosie, I see you -- integral in the disappearance of a 5- year-old girl or was doped out of her skull.

The girl is likely dead, all right? So I don`t want to hear you whining about her behind bars trying to rip her grandmother off of her house payment.

Out to the lines, Cindy in Florida. Hi, Cindy.

CINDY, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hello.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

CINDY: Two questions. One, is it found out that Misty was gone out of the house the night Haleigh went missing, will she face child neglect charges on Junior? And.

GRACE: Excellent question. And what`s the rest of your question?

CINDY: The rest is, I don`t think Misty is ever going to have a caring bone because all she`s caring about is getting out, doing the right thing. No. If she wants to do the right thing, she needs to say where`s Haleigh is or her body is or something.

Let Crystal Sheffield have some peace, which is easier said than done.

GRACE: And the grandmother, Theresa Neves, heart broken over Haleigh disappearing. And you know what, when I leave this set tonight, all I can think about is getting home and seeing the twins. Hopefully they`re going to be asleep.

But I can go in and I can look at them. I can touch their chest to make sure they`re breathing. I can fix their blankets. Can you imagine coming home and that crib empty? And this woman holds the key to what happened to little Haleigh? And she`s talking about I may or may not talk to investigators so I can get out of here?

Everything she says Eleanor Odom is about her getting out. Other people getting her money. She`s never worked a day in her life except to sell dope. But now she wants her grandmother`s house payment so she can get out of jail?

ODOM: I know. And didn`t you hear her grandmother saying, we told you not to do that? So it`s not like she didn`t know what she was doing was wrong. And I`d like to see some child deprivation charges slapped on her as well for the depriving both children of proper supervision.

GRACE: That was the answer to Cindy in Florida. Thank you very much for getting me back on course.

To Paul Penzone, director of prevention programs, Childhelp.org. Weigh in, Paul.

PAUL PENZONE, DIRECT OF PREVENTION PROGRAMS, CHILDHELP.ORG, FMR. SERGEANT, PHOENIX PD: Well, you know, criminals never ever cry because of what they did. She`s not crying for the child and she`s not crying for her crimes. She`s crying because she feels sorry for herself, but the most telling thing for me was two of the things that Cummings said.

First, he said he`s not worried about doing the time because he only expects to do about four months, which means he settled for the crimes that he`s been arrested for. But what he tells her is don`t say anything because they both know where the child is or what happened to the child and he`s fearful for new charges he could face.

So they both have facts that are going to make the difference, but he`s telling her, don`t come forward with it. And my concern is, kind of a tipping point, how much time will she do before she becomes comfortable? Will law enforcement get the information while she`s still uneasy and having those drug issues?

GRACE: Good point, Paul Penzone, former sergeant, Phoenix PD.

To Dr. Evelyn Minaya, women`s health expert, how will giving her Zoloft or Prozac delay the drying out process?

DR. EVELYN MINAYA, M.D., WOMEN`S HEALTH EXPERT: It doesn`t really delay the drying out process because she`s still apparently drying out. If you can tell by even the way that she puts her fingers across her face constantly. She`s not drying up her tears or anything else like that, but it`s part of her anxiety and everything else like that.

What Zoloft -- officially Zoloft -- it usually takes about two weeks for it to kind of kick in. Prozac usually takes about four weeks to kick in.

GRACE: You know, to the lawyers, let me go to Mickey Sherman first. Everything she has said so far is about herself. Do you think she`s savvy enough not to give the information? What do you make of her comment that she`s got information she may tell investigators to get out?

SHERMAN: I think she`s desperate. And you`re also presuming she`s guilty. I think if anything she`s probably going to give her some B.S. story. There`s nothing to say what she`s going to say to get out is going to be the truth. And clearly she is under the influence of the narcotics still, but, you know, there`s nothing to suggest that she`s going to give the authorities or anybody else or us as we`re watching this voyeuristic tape, anything that`s going to lead the police to the actual killer of this young girl.

GRACE: Well, police tend to disagree with you as usual, Mickey Sherman. Because as go to air tonight, they are combing over these tapes hoping for any evidence that might help find Haleigh, dead or alive.

As we go to break, happy birthday to Pittsburgh friend, Betty Chekio (ph) at 80 years old. She`s a breast cancer survivor. She loves the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Penguins, active with AARP. She never misses our show.

Miss Chekio watches twice at nice but her true love, her six children, 17 grandchildren, six great grandchildren. Man! What a beautiful family you must have.

Happy birthday, Betty.

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GRACE: With us tonight, David Schumer. He`s in a fight against pancreatic and liver cancer. In memory of his mother Ellen, the Ellen Schumer Pancreatic and Liver Cancer Funds golf tournament, May 10, Suburban Country Club, Baltimore.

David, first of all, I want you to tell us about your mother.

DAVID SCHUMER, DIRECTOR AND FOUNDER, ELLEN SCHUMER PANCREATIC AND LIVER CANCER FUND: Well, Nancy, my mother was a wonderful woman. She had a personality that lit up a room when she walked in. She had a fantastic sense of humor.

She was the last one always to leave the party. She was just a great, wonderful person and then, Nancy, three weeks after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, she was taken from us.

GRACE: I recall when that happened. Everything was so sudden. And it was like she never even got a chance to fight. She never got a chance to really fight.

Tell me about your project.

SCHUMER: Well, the Ellen Schumer Pancreatic and Liver Cancer Fund is something I started back in late 2006 after my mother passed away. In the effort to help the medical community find a method of early detection and one day a cure for pancreatic cancer.

You know, today, medicine is still using some of the very same treatments to treat pancreatic cancer that they were using when Joan Crawford passed away from the disease very quickly.

After my mom passed away and I did a lot of research into why there is no method of early detection and no cure, I wanted to do something. So I started the Ellen Schumer Pancreatic and Liver Cancer Fund to help the medical community.

GRACE: You know, David Schumer, so many people sit back and say, would have, could have, should have. You didn`t. You are never, ever forgetting your mother. You are fighting every day in her memory.

What can we do to help you?

SCHUMER: Well, we can talk about pancreatic cancer. We can raise the awareness of this terrible disease. Pancreatic cancer happens to be the ninth most common form of cancer but the fourth most leading cause of cancer deaths.

And because 95 percent of those people diagnosed with pancreatic cancer are gone five years later -- within five years, excuse me, it has the highest mortality rate. So people can help the Ellen Schumer Fund by calling 410-328-3637.

GRACE: 3637.

SCHUMER: That`s right.

GRACE: 410-328-3637. And we`re putting all of this information on our Web site. Please help the fight against pancreatic cancer.

And to you, David Schumer, God bless you.

Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant William Brown, 25, Phil Campbell, Alabama, killed Iraq. On a second tour, gave his life saving a fellow soldier. Loved God, family, country.

Remembered for compassion. Never met a stranger. Leaves behind stepfather Eugene, sisters Barbara, Angela, Marla, brother Marty, widow Rachel, sons Ethan and Tyler.

William Brown, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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