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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: We're going to start today with a big controversy brewing where? Well, it's in the U.S. military. And here's what we got.


SANCHEZ (voice-over): Here's what is making the LIST on this day.

(on camera): We have got some breaking news coming in. The sheriff's deputy in Central Arizona was shot by a member of an alleged group of illegal immigrants.

(voice-over): The story that pushed forward the Arizona immigration debate, a lawman shot by a Mexican smuggler, guess what? The story may have been bogus. You want the details? We have got them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You cannot -- you cannot stop...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She's not Mel Gibson.

SANCHEZ: Did you see what happened today outside the Lindsay Lohan trial? Weird.

STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, "THE COLBERT REPORT": This is America. I don't want a tomato picked by a Mexican.

SANCHEZ: The politicians who have turned our immigration policy into a comedy of errors gets schooled by a comedian. And they don't even get it. You have got to see this.

The lists you need to know about. Who's today's most intriguing? Who's landed on the list you don't want to be on? Who's making news on Twitter? It's why I keep a list.

Pioneering tomorrow's cutting-edge news right now.


SANCHEZ: And hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez.

There is in fact controversy tonight in the U.S. military. And this has to do with religion and a controversial evangelist.

General David Petraeus, as you probably know, has said many times that he is worried that Muslims overseas may believe the military, the U.S. military, represents only the Christian faith. He says it's a sensitive issue and the perception alone could put the lives of our troops in danger.

He's talking about people who besmirch or insult Islam, for example, calling Islam an evil and a wicked religion. Commander Petraeus would say that's not good for American troops. It's bound to get some of them killed. He's been consistent in calling comments like those irresponsible.

Well, now along comes Franklin Graham. Who is Graham? He's the one who said that Islam is -- quote -- "evil and wicked." He also said the president is a Muslim because of his father's Muslim seed. He also said that Muslims are enslaved.

So, here's the controversy. Graham is now holding a Christian event at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, which critics are charging is really a gathering held to convert U.S. soldiers.

Given his record, how will this play in the Muslim world? Will this be a problem for some of the folks at the Pentagon, for our commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Here now, a special report prepared by our Pentagon correspondent, Chris Lawrence.


CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Christian concert is called "Rock the Fort" and it's living up to its name. The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association is bringing Christian rock bands to worship at Fort Bragg and some say crossing a line.

MICHAEL WEINSTEIN, MILITARY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOUNDATION: The express purpose of this event is to evangelize and spread the gospel to all those who are lost. Soldiers are being given pieces of paper with seven blank names on it to bring seven more people so they will come to Christ.

LAWRENCE: Fort Bragg advertised the concert on its Web site. And Mikey Weinstein says more than a hundred soldiers there have complained to his group, Military Religious Freedom, sending e-mails like, please help us, MRFF, this is wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here, in a few minutes, I'm going to give you a chance to make a decision. It's your choice.

LAWRENCE: Rock the Fort has been to several other bases including recruit training at Fort Jackson.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We pray that not only they become soldiers here in boot camp, but we pray that they'll come into God's Army in the sense of giving their life over to Jesus Christ.

LAWRENCE: Critics say that's a dangerous message for the military to bring right into basic training. WEINSTEIN: We're not supposed to be using the U.S. Army to develop and engender, you know, new soldiers for Christ.

COL. DAVID HILLIS, CHAPLAIN: Our goal is again not to proselytize anyone, you know, from either their particular faith that they're a part of, and our goal is not to coerce anyone.

LAWRENCE: Fort Bragg's chaplain says the event on his base is open to the public. No one has to come, except the thousands of soldiers and their families who are excited to do so.

HILLIS: It really is up to the individual. And people like any message or any faith can choose to accept or reject.

LAWRENCE: The chaplain wrote to North Carolina churches on Fort Bragg letterhead promoting the event. In Billy Graham's Web site states right up front, the Rock the Fort outreaches design to channel new believers into your church.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State wrote the secretary of the Army urging him to stop the military's endorsement of the event. They argue proselytizing is prohibited, and the Army is breaking the law by endorsing religion. The chaplain says the base is merely a host for anyone who wants to come.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God bless America!


SANCHEZ: And Chris is joining me now live.

One would think that there would be some kind of rules or some kind of laws that would prohibit something like this, certainly not prohibiting anybody's opportunity to have any kind of gathering in any kind of religion they want, but the fact that it's being organized and supported by the chaplain officially would make one pause.

Are there rules that are on the books already against something like this?

LAWRENCE: Here's the rub, Rick. There are rules that prohibit the chaplains from proselytizing to soldiers or civilians. There's also separate laws that prohibit the government from endorsing a particular religion or even getting involved in the affairs of a religious organization.

The gray area that you get into here is the Army itself isn't saying a lot of this stuff. What's happening is they're simply inviting the group on to the base and giving them access to the soldiers. That's where you get that gray area.

SANCHEZ: Well, but -- and, again, if my chaplain, who is usually a ranked person in the military, is recommending that I do something, and he's bringing someone in as a proxy to tell me to do something, it's almost as if the military is, in and of itself, maybe not giving me an order, but suggesting I should do something, right? LAWRENCE: Well, especially, I think, the critics really point that event where they were hitting the recruits, the kids that are going through basic training, because they felt they were very vulnerable. No one recruit wants to stand out. Nobody is going to come up to their drill sergeant and say I don't really feel comfortable going to this event because of my religious beliefs.

So they felt that was a vulnerable position to sort of expose them to that sort of religious outlook.


LAWRENCE: But, on the other hand, you know, I talked to the chaplain for a long time. And he said, look, you know, I'm not only obligated to, but I'm happy to provide the same kind of support, if any other faith on base wanted to have a similar event.

The fact of the matter is, Rick, most of the people in the military are Christian. And there are thousands of soldiers and their families on that base who are really looking forward to this, who want to praise God, want to hear this concert tomorrow.

SANCHEZ: OK. Now let's move away from the concert, because that's an interesting argument that a lot of people can figure out for themselves.

What about the fact that they're bringing in a guy who has said that Islam is evil and wicked, while we're in different parts of the world, either, A., supporting people who are Muslim and trying to convince them we're not there trying to kill them because they are Muslim?

How is this going to sit with some of the big brass at the Pentagon, people like Petraeus, who have come out and said he doesn't want this, doesn't want to see this over here?

LAWRENCE: Well, I think you brought up a good point just a couple minutes ago. You talked about the fact that the Pentagon, yes, did not allow Franklin Graham to come to the Pentagon to take part in a service very recently.


LAWRENCE: So, obviously, people here are very concerned about sort of the image they're tied to, who is being shown speaking on what can be construed as speaking on their behalf.

I did talk to a senior defense official today who said this is really sort of skirting the edge, that there is a tremendous amount of religious freedom, but the idea of these pamphlets being passed out, asking people to, you know, bring more people with them, and the fact that on the Web site, on the Web site, it says one of the goals of this event is to get and recruit new members for your churches, to the churches that would be involved.

That means you're not just preaching to the people who already believe a certain -- you know, the way you do, say Protestant to Protestant or Catholic to Catholic. New member means you're trying to go out and you're trying to recruit new people to your belief and your faith.

SANCHEZ: Yes. One has to worry about our troops in Afghanistan, our troops in Iraq, and the effect that this could have on them, not to mention not everybody out there is Catholic or Protestant. There is an awful lot of people in this country what actually may be Muslim or Jewish who, you know....

LAWRENCE: Or atheist.

SANCHEZ: Or atheist.

LAWRENCE: Or who don't have any belief at all in a God or a higher power, yes.

SANCHEZ: Yes, who may -- who may argue that they're feeling put upon by this.

So, listen, it's a great story you have put together. It's one that we probably have to muscle through as a nation. And I'm glad that you got it out there, Chris. Good reporting as usual. My appreciation.

Coming up, you worry about a heart attack or do you know somebody you want to protect from having a heart attack? Well, guess what? I need to show you something. There is a brand-new procedure out there, and I'm going to actually show you how it goes into your body and can do this, because it will require you to no longer -- I should say, it will change the requirement of having to have heart surgery, in other words, no more open heart surgery.

They can actually go in and do this from now on without open heart surgery. Sanjay Gupta is going to be here. He's going to take us through this.

Also, this:




SANCHEZ: You remember the officer who said an illegal immigrant drug smuggler from Mexico shot him in the desert? The case fueled the immigration debate that still rages in Arizona. Well, guess what? His story, it's not adding up, the one about the Mexican who shot him. Could he have made the whole thing up? That's a very important question that we're going to try and address for you.

Stay right there. This is RICK'S LIST, your national conversation. And we're coming right back.


SANCHEZ: Hey, welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez. This is RICK'S LIST. So glad you're here. It's Friday. And here's our list of the most controversial stories in the news on this day.

A woman is accused of robbing a bank, jumping into a getaway car, and then she heads off to pick up her kids from school? This story comes in at number four.

Police say this woman -- her name is Erica Fay Anderson -- she robs a bank in Grants Pass, Oregon, this week, right? Anderson allegedly handed the tellers a note demanding money and then she took off with the cash. Well, investigators say that's when she jumped into a car driven by an accomplice and went to pick up her two daughters from elementary school -- pick up her two daughters, after robbing a bank, police say.

Now she faces theft and robbery charges. Her kids, they have been taken away. They're now in state custody.

Here is number three. Forensic experts are questioning the story of an Arizona's sheriff's deputy who says that he was shot by a drug smuggler on the border -- no, he was shot by a drug smuggler from Mexico. You might remember this frantic 911 call in April that stoked debate about Arizona's controversial immigration law. Here it is.


PUROLL: I have been hit! I have been hit! I have been hit!

There's at least two guys with AKs. I may have got one of them, but I can't tell. I got to get off the phone and shut up. I just want to let you know where I'm at. I'm going to try to stay here. They're in the brush all around me.

OPERATOR: Copy. Top of the saddle, 50 yards west of the trail.

PUROLL: West of the trail. I'm going to stay here, unless I have to move.

OPERATOR: OK. All right, Louie. Are you OK?

PUROLL: Hell, no, I'm not OK, I have been shot. Tell them to hurry up. And tell my wife I love her.


SANCHEZ: That's Deputy Louie Puroll. He said that he was shot one week after Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed the state's immigration law into law.

In fact, the story enraged anti-immigrant forces. It garnered support for the Arizona law because the sheriff's deputy blamed a Mexican smuggler for his injuries.

Well, guess what? Forensics experts, which even include the expert used by FOX News, now say that the deputy's story is suspect, at the very least. After examining the evidence and the deputy's wound, they say his story simply does not add up.

They think his wound is consistent with a shot at close range, not a faraway AK-47 fired by a Mexican smuggler that was never even caught or identified. In short, it appears he may possibly be lying, but his sheriff says he still believes him.

Here now, controversy number two.

Tonight, a fourth young man has come forward to accuse millionaire Pastor Eddie Long of sexually coercing him when he was just a teenager. In the lawsuit, 22-year-old Spencer LeGrande says that he met Bishop Long when he was just 17 years old at a church in Charlotte, North Carolina.

The picture you're seeing there is one of the pastor. There is another that he has sent to another young man. The suit says that Long took him on a trip to Africa in 2005 and for eight days they slept together and had sex. Long spoke about the scandal for the very first time today during a conference call with some church members.

CNN affiliate WGCL quotes Long as saying the following, this: "I have never dealt with anything like this before. I have been under attack before, but everything else has been different levels and different challenges."

He continues: "Know that I am also praying for the families and the young men who are accusing. I always operate in the spirit of love. And we are going to move through this."

That's his response thus far. Now, a spokesperson for Long says that the online rumor that he is stepping down as a minister of his megachurch, a rumor, by the way, that's never been reported here, is completely false.

So, what's the number-one story making our list of controversies on this night? Well, we're going to be taking you back to Connecticut for the latest details of that unbelievable and deadly home invasion and fire that we have been reporting on.

Also, the hiker who spent a year in Iranian prison comes face to face with that country's president. What did she tell Mahmoud Ahmadinejad while she had his ear? And, by the way, how does she explain what she was doing in Iran in the first place?

Your national conversation, RICK'S LIST, lots of questions. We will be right back.


SANCHEZ: Welcome back.

Tonight, for the very first time, we're hearing from the victim's sister in that heartbreaking Connecticut home invasion murder trial. This is the number-one most controversial story tonight. The details of this case are hard to hear. Fire investigators today testified for the first time that accelerants were poured over the body of an 11-year-old -- her name is Michaela Petit -- before the fire was set on her home. Michaela, her 17-year-old sister, Hayley, and their mother, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, were killed in a horrific attack on their family three years ago.

Steven Hayes is on trial for the brutal murder, rape, and arson of the Petit family. The only survivor is husband and father Dr. William Petit. Now, police testified that Hayes and his accomplice beat Petit bloody and then left him for dead in the basement.

Mrs. Petit's sister -- OK, the victim's sister, the mother who was also killed, her sister says it's been hard for the family to sit through the details of this trial.


CYNTHIA HAWKE-RENN, SISTER OF JENNIFER HAWKE-PETIT: It's not the way you want to remember your loved ones. Just a really sad day. I think that we all knew that the girls went through some really unpleasant things, and we didn't know all the details about what all those were, but we aren't surprised by what the evidence shows.


SANCHEZ: Prosecutors are expected to wrap up their case Tuesday.

Time now for our political list. And there's plenty to choose from. We begin with number three. The president's approval ratings have sunk to an all-time low. It is the newest CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll.

I want you to take a look at where the numbers stand right now -- 42 percent of Americans approve of how Obama is doing as president. Fifty-four percent say they disapprove. It looks pretty bad, but while these polls may seem grim for the president, he has plenty of company when it comes to his recent predecessors.

Mr. Obama's approval rating exactly matches that of Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter in September of their second years in office.

Here now, number two. People, let's relax. What's going on here? This is a political event in Las Vegas last night at a religious high school, supporters of Senator Harry Reid and his challenger, Sharron Angle. Things got so heated in the crowd that folks started scrapping. Security officers had to be called in to break it up. And we're still months from the midterms.


COLBERT: This is America. I don't want a tomato picked by a Mexican.

(END VIDEO CLIP) SANCHEZ: No, not boy a Mexican. Just ahead, it's tonight's number-one political story. What was Stephen Colbert doing on Capitol Hill? It's no joke, or was it?

And remember when Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell proclaimed that April would be Confederate History Month? A lot of people weren't too happy when he said that. Find out how the governor has now reacted to that. Interesting story.

Stay right there. Your national conversation, RICK'S LIST, continues right after the break.


SANCHEZ: So, what is the number-one political story making news on this night?

Welcome back, everyone. I'm Rick Sanchez. Here is number one.

Mr. Colbert goes to Washington. There he is, comedian Stephen Colbert travels to Capitol Hill today to testify to a congressional committee about the plight of migrant farm workers. Some lawmakers seemed confused about why he was even there. Was he giving serious testimony or not?

Was he there to just do a ruse, a routine? I will tell you what. Let's find out for ourselves, shall we?


REP. JOHN CONYERS (D-MI), JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: I'm not asking you not to talk. I'm asking you to leave the committee room completely and submit your statement instead.

COLBERT: I'm here at the invitation of the chairwoman. And if she would like me to remove myself from the hearing room, I'm happy to do so. I'm only here at her invitation.


CONYERS: Well, I thank you very much.

COLBERT: I like talking about people who don't have any power. And this seems like one of the least powerful people in the United States are migrant workers who come and do our work, but don't have any rights as a result.


SANCHEZ: Obviously, by now, you have figured out he's just using this to do another of his routines. Or are you?

Well, it takes a while for the folks up there in Congress to figure this out. They seem -- in fact, watch this second clip, and as you watch it, look at their befuddled expressions.

Hit it there, Dan.


COLBERT: Picking beans, packing corn for hours on end side by side in the unforgiving sun, I have to say -- and I do mean this sincerely -- please don't make me do this again.

It is really, really hard. For one thing, when you're picking beans, you have to spend all day bending over. It turns out -- and I did not know this -- most soil is at ground level.

If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we make the Earth waist-high? Come on. Where is the funding?


SANCHEZ: It was quite a performance. And, again, I don't know if you got a chance to see some of the clips, but they were not amused, mostly confused in Congress, by his performance.

One other thing. We have found out that Colbert and his staff are Rick Sanchez devotees. Don't know if they watch from 3:00 to 4:00 or from 4:00 to 5:00 or from 8:00 to 9:00. Or maybe they watch me in CNN en Espanol. Who knew?

His comments, by the way, about me, they are trending tonight. So, you will get another share of Colbert coming up in a little bit when Brooke comes out here. I'm honored.

Now for our list of some of the most interesting people in the news on this night.

Number five, "Sesame Street"'s Elmo. That's right. OK, he's more Muppet than person, right? His duet with Katy Perry was apparently too sexy for "Sesame Street"'s moms. And she got bumped from the show.

Now, listen to what Elmo told George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America."


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC ANCHOR: Elmo, Katy seemed a little sad that your play date got cut short. Are you?

ELMO, "SESAME STREET": We will have another one. Elmo loves Ms. Katy. And we had a good time. So, we will have another play date.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You are going to have another play date? Yes.

ELMO: Yes. Yes, Ms. Katy, come, come, come, come. We will have another play date.


GROVER, "SESAME STREET": George, how do you like my new outfit? STEPHANOPOULOS: I love it, man.


GROVER: It's not too revealing, is it?

STEPHANOPOULOS: Not in the least.


SANCHEZ: That's the morning news on ABC.

We will see if Katy and Elmo have a return engagement with (INAUDIBLE). Number four.

American hiker, Sarah Shourd, remember her, she was released last week after more than a year of captivity in Iran. Two fellow hikers are still being held. Well, today, Shourd and her mother met with Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in New York. She says that she begged him to release the other hikers as well.


SARAH SHOURD, FREED AMERICAN HIKER: I just want to plea, you know. I want to beg him to extend the same generosity and compassion and understanding and give the same humanitarian gesture to my fiance and my friend.


SANCHEZ: By the way, she answered questions asked of her as to why she ended up in Iran in the first place. She said the folks at a hotel she was staying said that she should go over in that direction, and that there were other people there. So, she just went. No word on when or whether the others might be freed.

Here's number three, the guy who proves crime really doesn't pay. James Brienzo, he's accused of trying to steal about $1,000 worth of stuff from a Wal-Mart in Ohio just the other day and then hiding in a dumpster out back. You see where this is going, right? Yes. He's hiding in a dumpster.

You got that part, right? Well, the trash man came and scooped up the dumpster and put it in the back of the garbage truck. Brienzo was still inside. He got on his cell phone while he was stuck in the trash. He called a friend and the friend was able to -- in fact, here, let's listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm in the back of a trash truck that's compacted me.


SANCHEZ: I'm in the back of a trash truck that's compacted me. Yes. Police eventually found the truck, followed it but could only get out of emptying the trash. Brienzo ended up in the hospital.

Here is number two. Pope Benedict, for the very first time, he is being named in a lawsuit over one of the most notorious cases of sex abuse against the Catholic Church at a small school for deaf in Milwaukee. As many as 200 deaf boys were raped, sexually abuse, by a priest and headmaster at the school in the 1960s. Gary Tuchman was the very first interview, has the very first interview with one of those boys who's now a grown man. This is a CNN exclusive.



TERRY KOHUT, ABUSE VICTIM: It was that afternoon I went into his office. The door was closed, and Father Murphy said take your pants down.

TUCHMAN (voice-over): Father Lawrence Murphy was the headmaster and priest at St. John's for more than two decades. He was a charismatic fundraiser and respected church leader, but Father Murphy has also been identified by dozens of deaf men who say he raped and sexually abused them as children for years. Father Murphy's abuse would come to the direct attention of Cardinal Ratzinger, but is handling of the case with stun Murphy's victims.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think what the Murphy case shows is the deference that Cardinal Ratzinger and Pope Benedict would always give to the priest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What actually happens in the court --

TUCHMAN: Today, Terry Kohut is suing the Vatican for what Father Murphy did to him at St. John's. His lawsuit is the first to ever specifically name Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict. Until now, Terry Kohut has been anonymous, named only as John Doe 16.


SANCHEZ: To find out exactly what Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict knew and did about Father Murphy, tune in to a special CNN documentary. It's next weekend. What the pope knew? Again, it's this weekend at 8:00 p.m. both Saturday and Sunday. Sorry, I misspoke. This weekend.

So, who's the number one person that's making news on this night? A sudden about face, from the man who declared the month of April Confederate History Month in his state, but what's the governor of Virginia calling it now? Well, that's next.

And then, a fascinating breakthrough in the operating room. I want you to watch this. Does it mean the end of open heart surgery for this procedure which is going to make a lot of folks say yes? Find out. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is going to take us through this.

Oh, by the way, as we go to break, here's a look at how we put our newscast together. We meet every morning, and we talk about what might be able to do. It's in my blog at Every single day and my staff calls it Rick vid.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The heart surgery --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can run that at 8:00. It's not a problem if they can't get it in at 4:00.

SANCHEZ: Here's what happen, Lindsay Lohan admits --

These cases should be cut and dry. If you're a cop and say you've been shot, we shouldn't be looking at 9,000 different ways to see whether you were really shot or not. It's a cop.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My only thing is, I feel like people are over her. I really do. Who is passionate about that story?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like that story.




SANCHEZ: And we're back with a list of people in the news on this night and this is number one. Virginia governor, Bob McDonnell, you probably remember how earlier this year, he issued a proclamation declaring April Confederate History Month, well, that got a lot of people, including President Obama up in arms, especially since it didn't include any mention of the evils of slavery.

Well, today, the governor announced that next April will be civil war in Virginia month. Change the name. He said, quite, "150 years is long enough for Virginia to fight the civil war."

New hope tonight for thousands of people who are too sick to have the open heart surgery they so desperately need. There's a new procedure that can be used to replace faulty heart valves. We're calling on chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He and I had a conversation about this this morning, and he explained it to me.

I want him to explain it now to you as he takes you through the process of how what used to be a huge detailed and very messy procedure in the past can now be done efficiently, differently, and it can be done for a lot more people. Here, watch his story.


DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Rick, what we're talking about here is a condition known as aortic stenosis. There are several valves in the heart. This is the valve that actually controls the amount of blood actually leaving the heart and going to the rest of the body. Take a look at this animation here. What happens sometimes is that valve suddenly gets more brittle, makes it more difficult for blood to leave the heart, and as a result, the blood starts to back up.

People may start to have chest pain. They may feel fatigued. They may have a less functional way of life. You can just see what's happening to the heart specifically there. The question for a long time is what do you do about it? Well, it turns out there's a significant percentage of people who are simply too sick to have any kind of heart surgery.

They simply become gone too far along, and they can't have the procedure necessary to try and fix this. And unfortunately, for a lot of those people, about half of them will die from this disease. So, it's been a real problem, and there's been a real search to try and treat this. What they found is this procedure that you're looking at now, using a catheter, putting a little catheter through the groin, threading it up through the heart as you see there, and then essentially, knocking the old dysfunctional valve out of the way and putting this new valve in can be a really simple, a much simpler and less invasive procedure.

Especially for patients who are simply too sick to have surgery. So, this got a lot of excitement obviously behind it. Take a look at some of the numbers. Specifically, again, about half of patients who have aortic stenosis without treatment (ph) will die. About a third still will die with the new procedure, but obviously, those numbers are better. And also, just in terms of functional living, it's even better with this less invasive procedure.

Take a look. If you have cardiac symptoms at a year, 58 percent with the more standard treatment and about 25 percent with this new treatment that we're talking about. So, it could be less invasive and it could be better both in terms of fewer people dying and having more function. Sometime, the question has become will this become a procedure that's available to all people? Not just people who are too sick to undergo surgery.

Well, that's exactly where researchers are sort of headed next. Could you start to see less invasive, non-open heart surgical procedures to try and treat these same problems? That's going to be coming to us. And as it does, we'll certainly bring it to you. Rick, back to you.


SANCHEZ: All right. Hey, thanks so much, Dr. Sanjay.

Ahead on the list now, funnel clouds are caught on camera all the time, but catching two? That's impressive. We're going to show you that video in just a little bit. Stay right there. I'll tell you where it is.

Next, he's at it again. Wait until you get a load of what Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has to say about 9/11. He, well for this, he makes the list you don't want to be on. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) SANCHEZ: It's Friday, and you're freezing.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I know. You could see my hair standing up. It's like a freezer in here.

SANCHEZ: It's like a fruit freezer in here. What's the matter with you (ph).

BALDWIN: It's like a freaking freezer. It's cold. It's Friday.

SANCHEZ: I'm so glad you're here because we got trending stuff and you do that.

BALDWIN: Yes, I have some fun stuff tonight. Wait for the good stuff. Let me start with Lindsay Lohan. She has a new accessory today, if you will. Handcuffs. She's back in jail tonight, Rick Sanchez.


BOLDUAN (voice-over): Here's a mug shot. She failed that mandatory drug test while she was on probation. Remember, she was tweeting about it last week. She was in court this morning, hearing lasted just about 10 minutes.

And the judge ordered her back to jail for four weeks. Next court date is set for October 22nd. You're looking at sketches. No cameras were allowed inside of the court. Let's take a look outside. Yep, media circus. Helicopters following her into the courtroom doors. And here's the odd twist. Her estranged father, Michael Lohan, showed up to court today with this evangelical minister who, yes, preached to Lohan. Let's roll it.

MICHAEL LOHAN, LINDSAY LOHAN'S FATHER: You can't tell me what I feel. You can't tell me what I feel when I see her taken from a court into a jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right. You can't stop a father.

LOHAN: Let him finish because I'm finished.

JAY KOOPMAN, PASTOR: The reason why she's going through problems right now is because she's hurt. She's hurt from her family, and she needs to learn how to forgive, and she needs to allow Michael back into her life. Now, it's time for reconciliation and restoration of this family. If you truly love Lindsay Lohan, pray that God will restore the family, amen.

SANCHEZ (voice-over): What is he talking about?

BALDWIN: I don't know.

SANCHEZ: Who is that guy?

BALDWIN: He is this evangelical preacher.

SANCHEZ: Prister?

BALDWIN: Sorry, I can't talk (ph) on Friday night.

SANCHEZ: Something in between.

BALDWIN: Thank you very much. But, he's, as you know, a youth minister. He's all round the world. And I guess, you know, Lindsay's father invited him around. And you saw the media presence. Look. They saw those mike flags and walked on up to the quasi podium.


BOLDUAN (on-camera): Lohan, yes, she got out of jail I think it was August 24th. So, late last month after serving just 13 days of the 30-day sentence after she violated probation on her DUI charge.

SANCHEZ (on-camera): OK. There you go. We got Lindsay's story and her youth minister story and her father's story.

BALDWIN: And there's a tweet.

SANCHEZ: There you go.

BALDWIN: Take a look.

SANCHEZ: David Hasselhoff.

BALDWIN: The Hoff is tweeting. He says, "I feel sorry for Lindsay. It's tough being in the public eye and dealing with addiction. I hope she finds recovery."

SANCHEZ: That's nice.

BALDWIN: That is nice. That is nice.

SANCHEZ: Because in the end, that is really her problem, right?

BALDWIN: That's what it sounds like. She tested positive for some kind of controlled substance (INAUDIBLE).

Subject number two, this is what you have been tweeting about, this is the big appearance last night. Stephen Colbert on the Colbert report talking about his D.C. rally. We've been talking it about last couple of weeks, you know, kind of competing.

SANCHEZ: We like him.

BALDWIN: We like him. We're not talking about the other guy, that other guy on the same network, right? Did they both have these dueling (ph) rallies on October 30. And Oprah tweeted about the other guy's rally. Stephen Colbert countered that and said, "Oprah, whatever. I have Rick Sanchez in my corner. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have just been informed that I've gotten my own endorsement from a major media figure too. I'm so excited. Who could it be? Jimmy.

SANCHEZ: Keep fear alive.

BALDWIN: Yes, keep fear alive.

SANCHEZ: Here's what we're going to do. Let's start ignoring the other guy. I'm not even going to say his name and give all the emphasis to Stephen Colbert.


SANCHEZ: Because he's a true American. It's all about Colbert. We're not even going to talk about the other guy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow! Rick Sanchez. The coveted Sanchez bump. That could get me tens of supporters. Take that, John.


BALDWIN: Tens of supporters. Wait for it.

SANCHEZ: At least five, but five really good ones.

BALDWIN: I'm thinking we got 12 good viewers out there. Twelve good ones.

SANCHEZ: Exactly. He has no idea. No idea of that guy.

BALDWIN: Colbert did do a little homework. He realized who this Sanchez guy really is. And when we Google Sanchez, there is one particular clip we all know and love. Dan, let's roll it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't believe. Ga, ga, never became his trademark signoff. Rick, Rick, my friend, if you really want to help me get my Facebook total up, come to my march, stand on stage with me and let me tase you.


BALDWIN: Let me tase you. People have been tweeting there like, are you going to do it? Are you going to do it?

SANCHEZ: I'll do it if he's willing to switch jobs for one day with me. If he's willing to come in here and ad lib live television news for three hours, breaking news, producers talking in your head, in your --

BALDWIN: Head and heart.


BALDWIN: You'll see his little newscast and raise him three hours. SANCHEZ: I'll go in there and I'll read teleprompter of written jokes by his staff for 15 minutes a day, Monday through Thursday. I think that would be really fair.

BALDWIN: Colbert, are you listening?

SANCHEZ: And then you know what, I'll let you tase me.

BALDWIN: All right. America heard it.

SANCHEZ: You do three hours of this, and I'll read those 15 minutes of teleprompter stuff that you prerecord.

BALDWIN: And there you have it.

SANCHEZ: Coming up, 300 feet in the air -- thank you, without a net, high above a riveted crowd. That is in "Fotos." Stay with us.


SANCHEZ: More than nine years ago, I stood in Lower Manhattan, staring up at the sky. In those clouds of black smoke, I realized our world would never be the same. Yes. I was there when the second twin tower came crumbling down. Well, now, somebody is disrespecting the victims of 9/11 and their families. And he's doing it five miles from the spot where they lost their lives. Time now for the list you don't want to be on.

We saw it here live on Rick's List. Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He spent the week in New York on American soil appearing the United Nations. Now, he usually stirs up controversy and his speeches. So, we get that, right? It's no surprise that he would probably make outrageous comments, but this year, it's different.

He decided to use the platform to rattle off his conspiracy theory on who he thinks is behind the September 11th attacks. Guess what? He thinks it's us. So, why would we do it? Here's his thinking. Watch.


PRES. MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD, IRAN: Some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as most nations on politicians around the world are going with this (INAUDIBLE).


SANCHEZ: There you see American diplomats walking out. Let me get this straight. The United States government attacked its own people to save the American economy. If every serves me correctly, our economy tanked after 9/11. Things got worse when we started spending a trillion dollars on two wars no to mention the blood of our troops. So, his ridiculous conspiracy theory doesn't even make sense, not even a little bit. Then again, most things he says don't make sense. President Obama, by the way, is calling Ahmadinejad's remarks offensive, hateful and inexcusable. Good for you, Mr. President. You're absolutely right. And when you say these things five miles from this country's open wound, Mr. Ahmadinejad, it becomes more than just crazy talk. It's unforgivable. The Iranian president, straight to the very top tonight on the list you don't want to be on.

Mother Nature is firing with both barrels tonight. I want you to check out these dueling funnel clouds. Have you ever seen anything like this?

And we'll go back to Twitter to find a winner. Stay right there, RICK'S LIST continues.


SANCHEZ: The book is called "Conventional Idiocy." What we do is we scoff at what most people call conventional wisdom. And we do it essentially using much of what you have had to say. It's social media. It's a book about us. It's a book about this newscast and every newscast at the very end I give one away.

I signed it and I send it to you. And the winner tonight is Mark W. Johnson. Mark W. Johnson tweets, I'm a tweeting. How am I doing? Would love a signed copy of your book from my favorite anchor ever. don't tell Anderson, OK? All right. I will. It's our secret.

The medical term for the fear of some of the things that we always are afraid of is, oh, my goodness, let's do "Fotos."


SANCHEZ (voice-over): Just wanted you to hear the noise, that's all. See that? Those are two big funnel clouds. Where did they come from? First time we've ever seen anything like that, and guess where? South Florida. Just thought I'd show you that because I showed it to you before.

That's it for us. We're out of time. "LARRY KING LIVE" starts right now.