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More Chilean Miners Head Home; Unlocking Alzheimer's; Hollywood's Dilemma Over Gay Jokes; T.I. Gets 11 Months in Jail; Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura; Rapper TI Gets 11 Months in Jail

Aired October 15, 2010 - 16:00   ET


DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: I want to welcome the men and women watching us on American Forces Network around the world. We're going to hit you fast this hour. See if you can keep up, OK?

So, let's go.

First up: new developments from Falcon Lake. Mexican investigators are suspending their search for David Hartley, at least for now. If you remember, Tiffany Hartley told police her husband was shot last month by gunmen who investigators believe to be linked to a Mexican drug cartel.

Mexican investigators say they want more time to better assess their strategies. Tiffany Hartley's mom, Cynthia young, issued a statement saying: "We're very disappointed. The longer this goes, the less chance there is of finding David."

Young says her daughter is expected to meet the FBI, with the FBI and Mexican authorities in Texas to review her statement.

For some of the Chilean miners, their long journey home ends today.


QUESTION (through translator): Did you have fear of dying down there?

RICHARD VILLARROEL, RESCUED MINER (through translator): We were all waiting for that. We were all very thin. I lost 12 kilos. I was afraid that I was not going to meet the child that was on the way. It was the thing that most scared me.


LEMON: Oh. But the fear is gone now. Doctors will release at least 10 of the miners today from Copiapo Hospital. More may be released depending on their final checkups.

Three of the miners are already settling back into their lives after their release from the hospital yesterday, and doctors hope all 33 will be home on Sunday. So, get this one. Her 11-year-old son hung himself after being bullied in school, and now his mother says his 12-year-old sister is being bullied too. Masika Bermudez has had enough and is turning to the White House for some help. Bermudez wrote a letter to President Obama pleading for help, for his help, in a campaign to end school bullying.

She spoke with CNN's Kyra Phillips earlier.


KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: "A year has passed since Jaheem's suicide and I haven't gotten any justice. Mr. Obama, I really don't know what to do. I cried so much and I feel like a failure to my son, Jaheem." Why do you feel like a failure?

MASIKA BERMUDEZ, MOTHER OF BULLY VICTIMS: Because I just keep seeking the justice, and I mean, these people don't want to accept responsibility that my son was getting bullied in school. You know, they always want to say, oh, no, it wasn't going on, so I feel I'm trying my best to let these people know it was bullying going on with him and they keep sweeping it under the rug. So I feel like I failed him. I can't get no justice. A year has passed and it's still the same thing, they're denying it. They keep denying it.


LEMON: Another story in Pennsylvania, a verdict for two men on trial for beating a Mexican immigrant to death in 2008.

The federal jury found both men guilty on all counts, including hate crimes -- 18-year-old Brandon Piekarsky and 20-year-old Derrick Donchak were previously acquitted on murder charges in a state court. But then, well, they were tried on federal charges for beating and killing a legal immigrant, Luis Ramirez. Donchak sobbed and Piekarsky held his head in his hands as the verdict was read. Both face up to life in prison. Sentencing is set for January 24.

Bishop Eddie Long back in the news, his Atlanta-based megachurch, that is. It's at the heart of a new legal battle. A former employee has filed a civil lawsuit against his New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. Tama Colson alleges the church mishandled a sexual harassment complaint and that male employees retaliated against her. Colson says a male co-worker showed her a cell phone photo of male genitalia.

The church says Colson didn't report the complaint in a timely fashion. You know, Long is named as a defendant in that case. But he's facing four other unrelated lawsuits accusing him of coercing young male church members into sexual relationships. Long denies those allegations.

CVS pharmacy has agreed to pay nearly $78 million in fines. Here's what prosecutors are saying. They're saying the pharmacy didn't do enough to keep cold medicine out of the hands of meth makers and allowed them to buy large amounts of pseudoephedrine. It's a key ingredient in the production of methamphetamine. Prosecutors add that the failure actually fueled the increase in illegal drug trade -- in that trade in California.

OK. Remember this story? A female Mexican TV sports reporter going back to work. But she won't be going into the locker rooms anymore. Ines Sainz endured alleged cat calls and wolf whistles during an interview with New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez last month. We all remember the story.

Well, she says the behavior made her feel uncomfortable. It also led to an NFL investigation, by the way. And Sainz endured public criticism for wearing tight jeans and a form-fitting shirt at the time. Well, after taking a month off to recover from the ordeal, Sainz says she will stick to interviewing players on the sideline.

The Swiss have completed digging the world's longest rail tunnel. Check out the size of this massive drilling machine as it breaks through the final section at the base of the Swiss Alps. Wow. Look at that. The tunnel will be part of a high-speed rail service between Northern and Southeastern Europe. It's 35 miles long. It will be at least seven years before trains are running through it. The company behind the project says it will allow millions more tons of products to pass through the Alps. Big project.

OK. A lot of you have been talking about this. We're going to talk a little bit with the former Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura, never short on opinions. He's got a lot to talk with me about. He's going to join me to talk politics, Bill O'Reilly, that's the one everybody's talking about, and his show. He's got a show called "Conspiracy Theory." That's ahead.

And what's going on with this nor'easter? Latest update next.


LEMON: Oh, boy, nor'easter, brewing.

Bonnie Schneider, give us an update.


Well, the nor'easter isn't over yet. It's hammering New England with windswept rain and howling winds that will persist all weekend long. Let's get right to it, but not only are we seeing a lot of rain with this system, but, believe it or not, even though it's in October, we're getting snow in the White Mountains of New Hampshire, also a little bit of snow toward higher elevations in Upstate New York and Vermont, Killington reporting nine inches of snow from the system on the ground, so good news for those of you that want to get an early ski system.

You can see the wind and the rain affected with this nor'easter. Gusts tonight could get as high as 50 miles per hour or stronger. Thousands of people are already without power. Some of those strongest power outages are in the Maine area, where the storm is really at its worst right now.

Flight Explorer shows we have 6,500 planes in the air on this busy Friday. And, Don, just to let you know, we have lengthy delays, some of them up to two hours almost, for the New York City area, Newark, Philadelphia. It's a mess for travelers for this busy Friday.

LEMON: A mess.


LEMON: That's an understatement, yes, I would say.

Thank you very much, Bonnie Schneider.


LEMON: I want to ask you guys. I'm sure you have said it before: "Oh, that's so gay," right? Vince Vaughn's joke in a movie -- he said something like that in a movie clip -- isn't funny to gay and lesbian activists. The uproar led to a fast edit and a statement from the star.

So, here's a question. Does Hollywood go too far when it comes to gay jokes? Straight ahead.

And, right now, millions of families are affected by Alzheimer's, caring for spouses, parents or grandparents diagnosed with the disease. When can we expect a cure or at least a significant treatment or breakthrough? We will drill down right after the break.


LEMON: This happens to millions families around the country every year. My grandmother died, Alzheimer's. I had to experience that. My entire family, my mother took care of her for the last years of her life. My aunt did as well.

And I want to talk to you about something that is coming out in "TIME" magazine that I found very interesting. As a matter of fact, it's a cover. So, let me just give you some of the numbers here to put this in perspective. This is about Alzheimer's.

About five million Americans are stricken with Alzheimer's. That's today. By the year 2050, the numbers, well, they are expected to climb to more than 13 million, more than 13 million Alzheimer's victims. And as for today, a person age 65 has a one in 10 chance of becoming an Alzheimer's victim.

Alice Park has written a cover story for "TIME" magazine. And, in it, here's what she reports: some signs of medical progress in a battle that we have been losing. That's what she says.

Alice Park is kind enough to join us now from New York.

Thank you. You doing OK?

ALICE PARK, STAFF WRITER, "TIME": Doing great. Nice to see you.

LEMON: Good to see you. What is this progress you're talking about? That's what everyone wants to know.

PARK: I've actually been waiting for a long time to write this story. And researchers in the field are the first to tell you that there really hasn't been much good news lately. They have a vaccine and a few drugs that really failed to prove -- to be very effective in controlling the symptoms of Alzheimer's, as you described, the memory loss, confusion, and dementia.

But now, for the first time, they're really starting to understand what might be causing the disease. They have some new genes and have a better understanding of how intervening earlier in the course of the condition might make a difference.

LEMON: But that -- when you talk about that, that's really years away. I mean, how long have they been looking for a cure for cancer and other diseases? I mean, really for HIV and what have you, and Alzheimer's? And the reason I say that is we spend tons of money, tons of money on cancer, way more money on cancer, way more money on other diseases.

Let me just read this quote from your article. It says, "We spent $5.6 billion a year funding cancer studies, $1 billion a year for heart disease... and $500 million to study Alzheimer's."

Five hundred million when as opposed to that when chances are, I think more people would be likely to suffer Alzheimer's. Why this disparity?

PARK: You're absolutely right. In the end, as the researcher noted, most of us will likely be -- more likely be affected by Alzheimer's than by any of those other chronic conditions.

But I think the feeling has been that this is a disease of old age and therefore, it hasn't really received the attention and the research dollars that it really deserves. But with the really growing appreciation of the number of cases that are coming our way very soon in coming decades, hopefully that will change.

LEMON: It is described in your piece as when someone comes down with Alzheimer's -- for me, it was like my grandmother died twice, right? You would lose -- as you say, it's the quote -- the essence of a person is gone long before their body leaves.

PARK: And that's the real tragedy of this disease, is that it is really the long good-bye. And the symptoms occur over decades, even. And if a person is affected by Alzheimer's, his or her entire family is affected by it. So I think that's why researchers are really hopeful that if they can intervene early, even before symptoms start in some cases, they might make a difference.

The feeling is that at this point, when symptoms start, really the disease is become so embedded and so entrenched and there's already too much damage in the brain to make much of a difference. But if they can intervene early and identify people who are on the road to Alzheimer's, even before their memory loss begins, then perhaps we can turn the tide of this disease.

LEMON: Listen, if you're experiencing this or you have or you're worried about it and you just want to be informed about Alzheimer's, I would suggest you pick up Alice Park's article in "Time" magazine.

Alice, thank you.

PARK: My pleasure, thank you.

LEMON: You know, just days after police say he helped talk a suicidal man down from a ledge, rapper T.I. is in court defending himself on drug charges. So, does he face time behind bars? We're in the courtroom, CNN is. We'll report. That's ahead.

And does Hollywood go too far when it comes to making gay jokes? Wait until you see the clips -- next.


LEMON: Hollywood is on the hot seat today. Amid the fallout over a string of teen suicides attributed to bullying, the trailer for the upcoming movie is being criticized as insensitive. CNN's Brooke Anderson says, for a town that's viewed as politically enlightened, the film, "The Dilemma" is certainly causing one.


QUEEN LATIFAH, ACTRESS: I got some serious lady wood here.

BROOKE ANDERSON, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This coming attraction is attracting major controversy. The trailer for the new Vince Vaughn comedy, "The Dilemma," begins with these lines.

VINCE VAUGHN, ACTOR: Electric cars are gay. Not homosexual gay, but you know, my parents are chaperoning the dance gay.

ANDERSON: As the country reckons with a rash of anti-gay bullying incidents, some with tragic results, the preview debuted at an especially sensitive time.

ALONSO DURALDE, MOVIELINE.COM: This is a trailer that's attached to the number one movie in the country. So it was seen by millions of people.

ANDERSON: Alonso Duralde of has written extensively about gay imagery in Hollywood films. He finds "The Dilemma" joke troubling because it comes out of the blue.

DURALDE: But to come out of nowhere and just pop out of Vince Vaughn's mouth it's sort of like -- it's kind of shocking, frankly.

ANDERSON (on camera): Really catch you off guard.

DURALDE: Yes, there's no context. ANDERSON: Despite Hollywood's reputation as a liberal bastion where many openly gay people are employed, plenty of movies contain what some believe are anti-gay messages.

(voice-over): Examples abound -- like this from "The 40-Year-Old Virgin."

SETH ROGEN, ACTOR: Waxing your chest is like the gayest thing you could possibly do.

ANDERSON: -- "The Hangover" --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do me a favor, don't text me. It's gay.

ANDERSON: -- "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You may kiss the husband.

DURALDE: When it comes time for Adam Sandler and Kevin James they have to get all eww about it. It's just like -- OK, I know you meant well, but rewrite.

ANDERSON: -- And from "Hot Tub Time Machine" which came out in March --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have had lots of girlfriends, hot ones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have had lots of boyfriends, gay ones.

DURALDE: It's not coming from a sort of politically enlightened place that sort of sounds thuggish.

ANDERSON: GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, tracks media depictions in gay people. It notes improvement in how gay issues are treated in dramas.

JARRETT BARRIOS, PRESIDENT, GLAAD: You don't see stereotyped images nearly as much anymore. You see positive storylines now.

ANDERSON: GLAAD says the problem is with another genre.

BARRIOS: But where we haven't seen progress in the comedy side, the humor side. Comedy is still in need of catching up.

ANDERSON: GLAAD sees a direct link between movie humor at the expense of gays and anti-gay bullying in schools.

BARRIOS: That bullying comes from somewhere. It comes from social attitudes that are often perpetuated by comedies that are telling jokes.

DURALDE: The way that so many of us learned to perceive the world is what we see in the movies and what we see on television.

BARRIOS:'s Alonso Duralde says Hollywood plays a powerful role in shaping perceptions of what it means to be gay. DURALDE: That's where we learn lessons on what is acceptable and how to behave. We learn these things from the movies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not going to lie, I love your boyfriend. But don't ever let me go.

ANDERSON: In response to criticism over "The Dilemma," Universal Pictures agreed to recut the trailer, deleting the "electric cars are gay" line.

CNN asked the studio if it plans to remove the scene from the film, which is slated for release in January. Universal declined to comment.

Brooke Anderson, CNN, Hollywood.


LEMON: All right, it appears that actor Vince Vaughn -- it appears he is taking this seriously because he has released a statement through the publicist and here's what it said.

It says, "Let me add my voice of support to the people outraged by the bullying and persecution of people for their differences, whatever those differences may be. Comedy and joking about our differences breaks tension and brings us together. Drawing dividing lines over what we can and cannot joke about does exactly that, it divides us. Most importantly, where does it stop." That's from actor Vince Vaughn.

The president of the gay and lesbian rights group called GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation issued this statement in response to what Vaughn had to say. "Jokes can bring people together, but they can also push us apart. When gay is used as a pejorative, it frequently sends a message, particularly to youth and their bullies, that being gay is wrong and something to laugh at. We invite Vince Vaughn to work with us and help ensure that gay youth and those perceived to be gay aren't put in harm's way by such jokes."

This is the story we'll definitely be following here on CNN, stay tuned.

OK, there he is. You recognized him. Does he still have the ponytail. I don't think so. The always outspoken Jesse Ventura has been keeping his eye on politics, even though he's been out of office for years. We'll have his take on the Tea Party, on Bill O'Reilly, and conspiracy theories. By the way, that's the name of his new show, "Conspiracy Theories," going into its second season.

And then there's Jessica Yellin. He's not going to talk about her, but Jessica Yellin is going to return with the top stories crossing the Political Ticker next.


LEMON: Just 18 days, just 18 days until election day and Bill Clinton is back campaigning for an old rival and political enemy Jerry Brown. Funny how that works, right?

CNN has got all your political news and "The Best Political Team On Television." Jessica Yellin is in Los Angeles. Funny how that works, as I said.

JESSICA YELLIN, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It's amazing, Don. Bill Clinton is nonstop this election season, crisscrossing the country, campaigning for Democrats. He's about to speak an hour in Santa Ana for incumbent congresswoman, Democratic Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez.

Now she should be in a safe district, they'll be in Santa Ana, but because of the anti-incumbent feel this year, she's in a lot of trouble. And she made a little bit of a slipup. She said that the Republicans and the Vietnamese are trying to take her seat from her. Well her opponent is Vietnamese, there are many Vietnamese voters in her district; not going over so well.

After Bill Clinton stumps for her there, he's moving on up a little north in California to Westwood, Los Angeles proper where he will meet up with Jerry Brown. We're all going to be watching this one closely.

Brown, you know, is running for governor here, but he and Clinton have a history. They ran against each other for president. It was very bitter. The two are not exactly friends. So we'll all be watching the body language on that one.

Moving over to Nevada, across the country a little bit. I just flew in there from these this morning -- god, it feels like last night -- and we watched the debate there. Already, Harry Reid is up with two new ads calling his opponent Sharron Angle extreme, using clips of what she said in the debate. No doubt the woman who has $14 million behind her, Republican opponent Sharron Angle, will probably, you can expect, be up with some ads of her own.

And, Don, I've got to ad, I've been getting nonstop tweets since you had a conversation about her use of the term "man up, Harry Reid." Of course, a woman could say that, a man if he said something similar, he would be eviscerated. And it's because we don't live in an ideal world, do we? Different standards because we have different experiences as men and women. Women tend to get a little more sexism than men maybe?

LEMON: It's a double standard. And you know, if that's equivalent to saying, let's just say grow a pair. You know what that means. It's just sort of questioning -- as you said, man up. How do you question someone's manhood, you say that. So -- you know, I hear people -- I hear someone in the background going, oh, my gosh, I can't believe he said that.

YELLIN: Well, it's an unusual debate tactic. Obviously, he can't respond. When she says that, what can he say? Either he looks too aggressive or he looks defensive, so it puts him in a weird position. But it is a dangerous terrain, I think, for women to start being sexist in their own ways, because what does it invite back? WE should all probably stay away from that kind of language.

LEMON: Thank you, Jessica. Thank you very much, and handling it much more elegantly than I did. Appreciate it.

Another political update next hour. And you can always get the latest political news at and on Twitter @PoliticalTicker.

OK. This just in. This is breaking news. This has to do with T.I., the rapper, headed back to jail for 11 months. T.I. headed back to jail for 11 months.

CNN has had a crew in the courtroom today. And this is for a probation violation. He went to prison last year. Remember, he had some issue with guns and all of that.

And then, just a couple of months ago, in L.A., he and his wife got in trouble. They said there was a substance in the car. The police said he was ecstasy. He was on probation. He ended up going to jail. Of course, he was bailed out.

And now, he's having to face this in court. And just on Wednesday, remember we talked to him about this yesterday, he helped police here in Atlanta talk a man down who was threatening to jump off of a building here to kill himself. A lot of people thought it was a publicity stunt.

T.I. came on yesterday to clear the air and say it wasn't. He said it just -- God just put it on his heart. And I asked him, I said, can you say never again, T.I.? And he goes, absolutely. Absolutely. I have too many people depending on me, Don. It's going to change.

But he's going back to jail. T.I., back to jail for 11 months.

Hey, let's got to Twitter board, people are already talking about this. Here's from a blogger who's inside of the courtroom, all right? This is Freddyo. Freddyo says, "T.I. admits to using the drugs, but said it all started after he had dental surgery and was in a lot of pain." Again, "T.I. admits to using the drugs but said it was all started after he had dental surgery and was in a lot of pain." Again, that's what Freddyo, he's a rapper blogger and he is in the courtroom today.

Ecstasy. Hmm. That's what they -- for pain. OK. All right, we'll follow up on that.

OK. Look, he is the governor of Minnesota and now, Jesse Ventura is hosting a second season of "Conspiracy Theory." It's an awesome show ad it's on truTV. He is standing by. He's going to join me live. You never know what he's going to say, never at a loss for words.

Jesse Ventura next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: OK. My next guest talked to Joy Behar just hours after her big blowup with Bill O'Reilly on "The View." And he told Joy what he thought about the planned Islamic cultural center and mosque planned near the World Trade Center site, the former World Trade Center site in New York. Take a listen.


JESSE VENTURA, FORMER MINNESOTA GOVERNOR: Let me say this about the mosque -- excuse me -- the Constitution says they can do it. It ends there. You cannot suggest the Constitution to a popularity poll.


LEMON: All right. In case you don't recognize him, I'm sure everybody does. That's former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura and "Conspiracy Theory." Here it is right here. That's the name of his show on truTV, the second season about to start. There its, he sent it to me. Oh, there he goes right there.

All right. So, listen, Governor, you called it a popularity poll. But it's true, though, that most Americans we polled don't want the center built. So, should we ignore that?

VENTURA: Yes, we should because people need to remember, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights should be written in stone. You cannot subject them to the popularity. They are there to protect unpopular things, like the First Amendment. The First Amendment is to protect unpopular speech simply because popular speech doesn't need to be protected. It's as simple as that.

And you can't, you know, bend the Constitution to the blowing winds of whatever polls might say, otherwise it's a worthless, useless document which in many ways they're turning it to that anyway.

LEMON: OK. Well, listen, what about people who say, you know, these are extraordinary circumstances, what happened on 9/11. So many people died there. We have to be respectful of -- especially the families who -- the victims who died there. We should be more respectful of that. And even the president said, you know, I'm not going to comment on the wisdom of it. But they certainly have the right, so, you know?

VENTURA: But what's the problem? I mean -- Timothy McVeigh, I assume, was a Christian. And he did an act of terrorism. Would they then remove all Christian churches from around Oklahoma City because it happened to have been a Christian that did it? You know, it's ridiculous.

The majority of Muslim people are law abiding, pacifist people who are not out to kill everybody. But every group of people has extremists. They're outlaws. They're criminals. And you can't lump everybody in to a specific religion.

Hey, I have enough trouble with religion anyway. I think religion in its own way is the root of all evil. You notice every war is fought over religion.

LEMON: Wow. That's a pretty subversive statement, Governor.

VENTURA: I don't care, it's the truth. It isn't subversive. Look at the facts.

LEMON: OK. Listen, let's go -- let's go to everybody in the studio is looking at me like, wow. So, listen, let's talk more about this. Bill O'Reilly, here's what he said. He said, "Muslims killed us on 9/11." Is that not true? Do you find that not to be the facts?

VENTURA: Well, first of all, I investigate 9/11 and I have a lot of questions about 9/11. And, you know, the government and what they told us about 9/11 is strictly a theory also. What have they proven?

I ask you this. We're a country by the rule of law. It's been nine years now since 9/11. Why hasn't bin Laden been indicted for what he did? And you don't have to have him captured to indict him.

That means the government comes forward with their evidence, presents it to a jury of citizens like us. If there's enough evidence, they'd do an indictment for murder. Why hasn't that been done?

LEMON: Listen, we're going to talk a little bit more --

VENTURA: Why hasn't the system been followed?

LEMON: We're going to talk more about conspiracy theories and your shows specifically. I want to -- one more on this topic and then we're going to move on.

Listen, this is shortly after Joy had the big blowup. You were there in the studio. What was she like? She was fired up about this.

VENTURA: Well, Joy always gets a little fired up. She's got a great personality. She's much like me. When you bring up a subject I'm passionate about, I get fired up, too, because I have an opinion and I'm not afraid to express it. I hope the First Amendment still exists in this country.

LEMON: All right. Governor, stay with us. Stay right there because we're going to sneak a break in here.

VENTURA: Absolutely.

LEMON: And we're going to continue this conversation.

When we come back, I want to ask the governor about a story that broke just two weeks ago, the revelation that the government deliberately infected people with syphilis. Talk about conspiracy theories.

But, first, car washes are a $1 billion a year industry that consumes vast amounts of water. How much of that water can be saved? Well, Aisha Jasfaar (ph) takes a look at the solution that is satisfying owners, customers, and environmentalists.


AISHA JASFAAR (ph), CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This car wash is trying to set a new standard in clean, by making cars and their business shine with a simple method: rinse, recycle, reuse.

DAVID PODROG, MARITIME AUTOWASH: We have a state-of-the-art reclaim system and we recover 95 percent of our wash water. That combined with the better chemistry and the car wash chemicals allows us to really take the environment in the hand when we wash cars.

JASFAAR: The International Car Wash Association says most people use more water when washing their car at home. And a lot of that dirty water will run the street drains, which is harmful to the environment. The water at Canton Car Wash, however, is collected in a trough underneath the wash and then put through a filtering system. And it comes out almost clean enough to drink.

PODROG: Now, we're going to the final rinse. This is fresh water that's being applied along with our waxes.

JASFAAR: The water isn't the only thing being put through the wringer, most of the dirty work is done with specially treated towels that are kept and cleaned in a dedicated washing machine so they're ready to use again and again and again. It's a fresh idea that's picking up steam with customers.

ARIKA PEVENTSTEIN, CUSTOMER: Car wash is great because it's environmentally friendly and I'm really big into that.

CHRIS RIVERA, CANTON CAR WASH: The cost is there and its inherent to our generation, I think, where we want to be good for the environment. We've grown up in that.

JASFAAR: Aisha Jasfaar, CNN.



LEMON: All right. Welcome back, everyone. With me is a former governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura. He is the host of the truTV series, it's called "Conspiracy Theory" with Jesse Ventura.

Governor, let me play a clip from your show real quick.


NARRATOR: The Coast Guard is hot on the tail of Jesse Ventura as he attempts to reach Plum Island. Word is out that he's accompanied by Jim McCoy (ph), a Plum Island worker who was fired after he blew the whistle on dangerous safety violations.

VENTURA: Yes, this Coast Guard most definitely found us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do they think you're going to do?

VENTURA: We've got the Coast Guard behind us. We've got these guys.

What the hell. I used to be a governor. What do they think I am, a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) terrorist?


LEMON: OK, Governor, so here's the question. I don't want to give it away because it premieres tonight. You'll have to tell me the time. Did you make it to Plum Island or did the Coast Guard stop you, if you want to answer that?

VENTURA: Well, first of all, we weren't running from the Coast Guard, and they weren't attempting to follow us, and we didn't want to go on shore in Plum Island. Are you kidding me? What I learned about Plum Island, I wouldn't want to set foot on that place.

But, no, they just had us under surveillance, and they kept us under surveillance the whole time. That's all it was.

Certainly, they could have caught us, because any Coast Guard boat can certainly catch a fishing boat. That's what they're out there for.

Now, we were simply under surveillance by them. And I had no intention of going on to the island. We were just viewing it from the ocean with the whistleblower that I had with me.

LEMON: So, Governor, I said before the break I was going to ask you about this, because two weeks ago the federal government admitted that in the '40s, the United States deliberately infected hundreds of people in Guatemala with sexually transmitted diseases.

Does that make the case for you that conspiracy theories are more than just urban myths?

VENTURA: Absolutely. You know, let me quote Albert Einstein, if I may. He said, "A foolish faith in authority is the enemy of the truth." And that's what we have in this country -- a foolish faith in authority.

Now, here they did what they did down there. They've done tons of things like that.

What got me so angry is when I was teaching at Harvard in 2004, McNamara came through and admitted the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened. Another false flag operation to get us into war where 58,000 of us died in Vietnam, and probably a 1.5 million Vietnamese. Who knows? But it was all based upon something they made up.

What about the black people who they used to infect with syphilis and things like that? People better wake up to the fact that government can be evil. If you don't believe me, go talk to the Germans about it.

LEMON: That's interesting. Your show asserts a lot that government is involved in most of these conspiracies. But one company -- I want to you -- if you can quickly answer this, because I want to ask you something after this. One company's name comes up a lot.

VENTURA: Well, when I'm getting involved in these things, and the conspiracy starts to build, the name that surfaces all the time -- well, not all the time, but probably 60 to 70 percent of the time is Halliburton. Halliburton is somehow there.

Like take the oil spill down in New Orleans. The biggest company in America that cleaned up oil spills was called Boots & Coots out of Houston, Texas. Three weeks before the oil spill happened, they were bought out by Halliburton.

Is that circumstantial or what?

LEMON: Yes. And I want to say we didn't contact Halliburton today, so they're not here to defend themselves.

Listen, I was going to ask you if you believe this stuff or it's a living, but I think I know the answer to that. So I don't want you to hit me either.

I want to read something that someone said about -- you really believe this, right? It's not just money for you or a show. Correct?

VENTURA: Oh, I don't do this show for money. Are you kidding me? I could go down to retire and go down to Mexico and live the rest of my life fine.

LEMON: I figured that was going to be your answer.

VENTURA: I do it for another reason, too. My son works on the show also.

LEMON: All right.

Listen, real quick, I want to go to Twitter. Someone said -- her name is Taisha (ph). She said, "Tell Jesse V. I love him. LOL. Subversive and conspiratorial as hell, but he's correct about religious freedom."

So that's what people are saying about you.

Thank you, Governor. Best of luck to you.

VENTURA: Thanks, Don. Always a pleasure. And we'll look forward to doing it again.

LEMON: All right. Thank you, sir.

Hey, I want you to listen to this. A man in a wheelchair boards a US Airways flight. But he alleges the airline ordered him off, saying he was too disabled to fly alone. That's ahead. And Wolf Blitzer is next with a big preview of his interview with Condoleezza Rice, former secretary of state.

Stay right there.


LEMON: The former secretary of state was in D.C. to talk to the president today, but before she did that, she talked to our very own Wolf Blitzer in "THE SITUATION ROOM." Wolf joins me now.

And Wolf, let me play a little bit before we talk about this. I want to play some of your interview. The is her talking about the four little girls in the church bombing in Birmingham. Take a listen.


CONDOLEEZZA RICE, FMR. SECRETARY OF STATE: My parents and I had just arrived at our own church. It was fairly early in the morning, but my mother was the musician for the church. And so we were there getting things ready.

And suddenly, there was a loud thud, almost like a roaring. And in those days, in Birmingham, which, as I said, had become "Bombingham," you knew that a bomb had gone off someplace.

And at first we thought it was perhaps in our neighborhood. But pretty soon, well before cell phones, people called to say that a bomb had gone off at the 16th Street Baptist Church. It wasn't long after that that we learned that four little girls had been killed, and it wasn't long after that that we learned their names.

And everyone knew one of those little girls or more, because Birmingham was a small community. And one of the names was Denise McNair, a little girl with whom I had played and gone to kindergarten. There's a picture in the book of my father handing Denise her kindergarten graduation certificate when she was 6 or 7.

So, it was a really sad and terrifying day for us in Birmingham.


LEMON: Wow. Very moving.

Wolf, I lived in Birmingham. And that church always -- obviously, it's a big place to go. A lot of people go there. And there's a museum, an African-American History Museum there.

What else did you guys talk about?

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Well, we spoke about -- you know, her book is all about growing up in the segregated South, what it was like. And it's really moving, because you lived through that era, you obviously remember what it was like. But for a little girl, obviously very bright, growing up in Birmingham -- her parents were both educators, her father was also a minister -- they tried to protect her, they tried to shield her. But it wasn't easy.

Even driving to visit some relatives, leaving Birmingham and driving around, there were these bathrooms that said "Colored," said "White," and her parents didn't want her to have to go into colored bathrooms. So it was an uncomfortable ride until they got to their uncle's or their aunt's.

So she goes through some of the material which people who live through the era will remember. But I think it's really important that young people appreciate it. It wasn't all that long ago, what was going on in the United States.

LEMON: It was not, yes.

Wolf Blitzer, we'll see you at the top of the hour. Thank you, sir. We appreciate it.

We have some breaking news to tell you about here on CNN. It involves rapper TI. Our T.J. Holmes just came out of the court. And here's what he tweeted.

He was in the courtroom and said he was going to report back to me here about what happened. T.J. says, "Just out of the federal courthouse. Judge is sending TI back to prison for 11 months. TI's wife left court crying before judge finished."

Listen, make sure you watch T.J. on Saturday morning. He'll be reporting on this.

T.J. in the courtroom, of course. He's interviewed TI before and knows him very well. And so he will be talking about that.

We have much, much more ahead here on CNN, including more on TI and your feedback from Twitter and the social networking sites.

Stick around.


LEMON: If it's trending, then our Sandy Endo is following it here.

And, of course, probably the number one thing trending, the Grammy Award-winning rapper, TI. If you break the rules, listen, you've got to pay the price.


And it just broke, this news that rapper TI is going back behind bars for 11 months. And this comes just two days after Atlanta police praised him for helping to talk a man off a ledge.

Well, he faced a federal judge today begging for leniency, saying he should go to drug rehab instead of prison. It was a probation hearing stemming from TI's 2008 conviction on federal weapons charges, and he was caught in a sting trying to buy unregistered guns. Well, the rapper was sentenced to a year in prison back then. He ended up serving seven months, then three months in a halfway house.

But while out on probation last month, TI and his wife were arrested in Los Angeles on drug charges. Police say they found methamphetamines in his car and smelled pot.

So, Don, I know you talked to him in an exclusive CNN interview yesterday. Let's listen to what he had to say before facing court today.

LEMON: All right.

OK. Listen, that was yesterday. I want to advance this a little bit.

Why don't we do some tweets? Hey, let me read that. Let's go to the Twitter board here, because someone is tweeting saying, "You know, Don Lemon, what a bad role model. Shame on him."

That's what they're saying about TI on Twitter right now.

"Sad to hear this. I wish TI the best."

One more. Do we have another? That's it?

OK. Listen, again, TI is going to have to go back to prison for 11 months here.

And as I said, Sandy -- you talked about the interview yesterday. He said he wasn't going to do it again. Let's hope he doesn't do it again.

ENDO: Yes. And actually, prosecutors asked for two years. So --

LEMON: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. So let's -- if he wants people to support him, then he will live up to what he said on the air yesterday.

OK, also trending today?

ENDO: Yes, another interesting story, Don.

LEMON: And in a wheelchair.

ENDO: Yes. Let me know if you think this airline policy is too discriminative of people with disabilities, because this is what happened.

A Grand Rapids, Michigan, motivational speaker, Johnnie Tuitel, he's a frequent flyer, crisscrosses the country to speak to different groups. So he boarded a US Airways flight from West Palm Beach going to Kansas City last month. But here's the twist -- Tuitel uses a wheelchair.

He has cerebral palsy but has never had a problem traveling before. And he usually flies by himself because it's just cheaper.

But in this case, he says after he boarded the plane, a US Airways employee said he was too disabled to fly alone and escorted him off the plane. So, clearly, he's saying this is an indication of infringement of his civil rights.

LEMON: OK. Let's listen.


JOHNNIE TUITEL, DENIED TRAVEL ON US AIRWAYS: I immediately thought something was up with my family. I let him take me off the plane. This is a flat-out issue of civil rights.


ENDO: Now, the airline has responded, and they're defending their decision to remove Tuitel from the plane. And in a statement -- you can hear and read along with me -- "He did not appear to have the ability to assist himself in evacuating in the event of an emergency."

So, clearly, they're standing by their stance. But we're interested to see what people have to say. So they should tweet me or you.

LEMON: And they felt if something else happened to him, then they -- probably, they didn't want to be responsible for it.

Sandy Endo, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much.

Thanks for watching, everyone. Have a great weekend. It's been an honor sitting here, bringing you the news every day.

Right now let's toss it to "THE SITUATION ROOM" and Wolf Blitzer.