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Kansas City Police Search for Missing Co-Ed
Aired December 21, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, America`s heartland. A gorgeous co-ed sitting outside to study for exams snatched from her books and papers in broad daylight. And was it practically on the eve of her honeymoon?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Beautiful 19-year-old college girl. Police believe she was abducted from her college campus.
AISHA KHAN, MISSING STUDENT: Oh, my gosh! It was so scary!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s an effort driven by the frantic message Khan left her sister just moments before she disappeared.
AISHA KHAN: My heart is, like, pounding. I`ve never got this scared in my life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After a strange man who she says smelled like marijuana, as she slapped the suspect and ran away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She hit him and he ran away.
AISHA KHAN: And he left. He was so pissed!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She slapped him. He was very mad out (ph) there (ph). And that was the end of it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t know what`s happened, you know, if she`s out there in the cold, if she`s hungry (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) collected all of the telephonic devices.
AISHA KHAN: Pick up your phones! I am freaked out right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re putting the resources into it as if it was an abduction.
WASEEM KHAN, HUSBAND OF MISSING WOMAN: I need my wife back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) Aisha Khan all the time.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, live, Maine. 8:00 PM, a 20-month-old baby girl goes to sleep in her own bed. 9:00 AM, baby Ayla gone, snatched from her own home. Just hours before the baby disappears, Mommy secretly goes to court to fight for full custody. She never sees the baby again.
Cops focusing on Daddy`s garage. Search teams move their efforts from a local stream to dumpsters. Cops posting 24-hour police guard outside Daddy`s house.
Breaking now. As real life CSI goes back into the family home, city hall converts to search headquarters and cops drain a local stream. Tonight, where is baby Ayla?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have no idea what happened to Ayla or who was responsible.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve been trying to find out if there`s some sort of connection to either the father, his family.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Family and friends will continue to do everything we can to assist in this investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Poor little thing. She`s so helpless, so defenseless right now.
GRACE: Search teams move their efforts from a local stream to dumpsters.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were searching dumpsters because they`re in close proximity to where the child lived.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Daddy really never had anything to do with the baby that much before June of this year.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Always been my intention to have a shared parenting arrangement with Ayla`s mother.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They seem to think that all of the evidence is right here in this home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to look directly at the family.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ayla was in my sole custody at the time of her disappearance, per agreement between her mother and I.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she being fed? Is someone watching her? Is she somewhere?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More than 100 leads, 100 tips.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to see her face! I want to see her eyes! I want to feel her touch!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live, America`s heartland. A gorgeous young co-ed sits outside studying for exams, literally snatched from her books and papers in broad daylight. And was it practically the eve of her honeymoon? Recently married, planning her honeymoon, now she`s gone.
We are taking your calls. Straight out to Dan Verbeck with KCUR, Kansas City. Dan, thank you for being with us.
DAN VERBECK, KCUR 89.3 FM (via telephone): Good evening, Nancy. Good to be with you.
GRACE: So much is emerging, Dan. The story that I`ve gotten is changing. It`s shifting.
And Liz, if you could, could you please show where she was sitting when she was snatched -- this young co-ed sitting at a picnic table there in, like, a quad area.
It`s my understanding, Dan, it was in the middle of finals. So these classrooms were not full of students and professors, as they normally would have been.
VERBECK: It`s a very small campus anyway, Nancy. It`s a satellite of KU, the University of Kansas, and it`s not much of a campus, if you will. It`s not teeming as would a normal large campus.
GRACE: Well, as a matter of fact, there`s only about 2,000 students there.
Everyone, on the verge of going home for Christmas break, the reality is there were not a lot of people there. But I also find it very interesting -- back to Dan Verbeck with KCUR -- that there was a construction crew.
Let`s take a look at this. Liz, is this the one where I can see the construction crew area?
There was a construction crew, and various members of the crew who were working say they see a young woman -- it`s the blue area of that diagram. Let`s see it again, please -- that they actually observe her walking away.
Dan, if it`s a homeless person, where`s he going to drag her to? Where? Not his home!
VERBECK: There are no homeless people in that area, of an affluent section of the suburb. No homeless around there that anybody`s seen.
GRACE: That doesn`t ring true, as well. We`ve gotten reports that a homeless man approached her, started a fight with her. She slapped him, went and used her phone. We`ve gotten reports that he was simply intoxicated. But I find it very difficult to fathom, Dan Verbeck, if you take a look at that scenario again -- let`s see the diagram, Liz, please. Leave it up -- how she could be dragged by her wrist all the way across campus, kicking and fighting, and nobody sees anything. How did that happen, Dan?
VERBECK: Well, the premise -- there are two premises on this one, Nancy, that she was abducted or that she ran away and just hit the road, and police are working with both of those possibilities.
And yes, you`re right, three construction workers tell police, according to police, that they saw a woman of her description. She`s rather distinctive-looking, with the head garb and the long coat.
GRACE: The hijab. Yes.
VERBECK: And they saw her, they said, walking leisurely -- leisurely -- across the campus, apparently in no hurry to go wherever she was going.
GRACE: All right. We are taking your calls. I want to go to Pat Brown now, criminal profiler, author of "The Profiler." Here`s the reality, by my analysis. There`s two scenarios. Either the cops have not adequately performed a search and her body is right there amongst them. Remember Anne Le and Clark, her attacker? Remember them, Yale University? He killed her in the university in the laboratories and stuffed her body in the wall. They didn`t find her for days. Hello? There she was, right there!
Either they are not adequately searching for her and she -- her body is there somewhere around campus, or her story was inaccurate. What about it, Pat Brown?
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, I have the same problems you do, Nancy. I mean, she could have been abducted, but I would think she would have to be taken away in a vehicle. And she -- when she`s on the phone giving that message, we hear nothing about a vehicle. Seems a little strange that this kind of sketchy dude would -- who`s drunk or smoking herb or whatever -- suddenly comes back with a vehicle.
Maybe these three workers -- they would have to have a vehicle there. They have to all be lying and they all abducted her, if they really saw her.
But I go back to that phone message. I personally don`t see the terror in her voice. I don`t hear her hyperventilating. I don`t hear her sounding terrified. She`s not running from anybody. Why are all her things just sitting there nicely on the table? Because if I were her, somebody just did that to me, I`d be grabbing up my stuff and I`d be getting the heck out of there.
So I don`t understand why there`s no sign of an abduction, no sign of a struggle. It bothers me, as well...
GRACE: Well, also, Pat...
BROWN: ... but it doesn`t mean it didn`t happen.
GRACE: ... when you look at a scenario, if it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it`s a duck. She leaves a message, and before we attribute any elaborate ruse to -- a lie on her part, it`s more likely the simple answer is the correct answer, that it was not a ruse and that it did happen the way she said.
BROWN: It may have.
GRACE: Now, if somebody -- if a man approached me and -- a man I didn`t know and accosted me, I would not take the time to call all my friends at work and my family members. I`d call 911 or campus security. But that`s just me, all right?
So let`s take a listen to what Pat Brown is talking about. Let`s listen to her calls. This is the co-ed that is apparently snatched in broad daylight as she sits outside studying for an exam.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
AISHA KHAN, MISSING STUDENT: Oh, my gosh. It was so scary! My heart is, like, pounding. I`ve never got this scared in my life. And he left. He was so pissed! Pick up your phones. I am freaked out right now! OK. Bye.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: You know what? I understand what you`re saying, Pat Brown. But let`s go to someone that knows her well.
Joining me from Overland Park -- for those of you just joining us, a gorgeous young co-ed studying for exams in broad daylight, and what we are told, practically on the eve of her honeymoon, vanishes from campus as she sits outside studying at this picnic table.
With me is Farouk Sheikh. This is her cousin, Aisha`s cousin. Thank you for being with us, Farouk.
FAROUK SHEIKH, COUSIN (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy. How are you doing?
GRACE: I`m concerned. I`m concerned about Aisha. There`s been a lot of speculation, a lot of talk about an arranged marriage, a forced marriage between her and her groom of a few months. Is that true or false?
SHEIKH: No, ma`am, that is false. She has known him since they were, you know, very young. He`s known to the family. He`s (INAUDIBLE) family network back home in Pakistan. They`ve always liked each other. And you know, there was no forced marriage here.
GRACE: Now, wait a minute! Wait a minute, Farouk! Farouk, remember, you`re talking to an all-American here.
SHEIKH: I understand.
GRACE: And people have been calling in, going, This is a forced marriage, this is an arranged marriage. And what you just described to a lot of Americans kind of sounds like an arranged marriage. Oh, we knew each other from Pakistan. The families knew each other. They always kind of liked each other. Boom, they`re married.
See, that`s not how it works here. Here you fall in love. Then you get married. You don`t get put together by your families. So what -- how -- did they have a courtship?
SHEIKH: They did. They`ve known each other for a while. Ma`am, look, there`s -- I`m an all-American. But you know what`s beautiful about America is there`s a lot of immigrants and there`s multiple cultures here. You know, what`s an arranged marriage? In the old days, 100 years ago, my grandfather or great-grandfather probably had an arranged marriage. They never saw their wives or their spouses until the day of the wedding. That happened.
It doesn`t work like that anymore. Frankly, I had an arranged marriage. But what was my arranged marriage? My parents introduced me, just like a friend would, on a blind date to -- to -- you know, to a girl. And you know, I met her one night over dinner with the family. She called me up a few days later. We went to Starbucks. And you know, we dated, so to speak, for five or six months, and we got married. You know, I had a courtship. We fell in love. And you know, that`s the modern-day version of an arranged marriage. It`s basically...
SHEIKH: ... you`re good friends until...
GRACE: I get it. I get it. I get it, Farouk. So is that the type of marriage that Aisha had?
SHEIKH: Pretty much similar to that, yes. I mean, you know, it was - - it was spoken (ph) -- these kind of things there`s, you know, culturally speaking (INAUDIBLE) You have respect for your elders. You know, parents speak amongst each other. I think everybody in the family knew they had a liking towards each other. They were (INAUDIBLE) with each other, you know...
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AISHA KHAN: Oh, my gosh. It was so scary! My heart is, like, pounding. I`ve never got this scared in my life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s the toughest thing that they have probably ever gone through.
AISHA KHAN: And he left. He was so pissed! Pick up your phones. I am freaked out right now!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t know what`s happening, you know, if she`s out there in the cold, if she`s hungry for the last two days, if she has clothes or not. Keep us in your prayers.
WASEEM KHAN: (INAUDIBLE) say thank you to everybody who`s helping us, the community, the -- everyone. I need my wife back.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Welcome back. Where is Aisha Khan? This gorgeous young co-ed studying for exams there at the Edwards satellite branch of University of Kansas. She`s sitting out at a public park bench there on campus and disappears. You just heard the voicemail she left behind.
Back to her cousin, Farouk. Farouk, again, thank you for being with us. You have listened to these messages over and over, I`m sure. Is that the way she would have conveyed hysteria, alarm, fear? What -- what do those voicemails sound like to you?
SHEIKH: Well, I`ve looked at the timelines of what happened, and she basically made six calls and left a message on the six calls. She called her sister, then she called her cousin, then she called her sister, then her cousin, then her sister and then her sister again. I mean, it was nine minutes between the first call and the last call where she left the voicemail.
So you know, if she was panicking at the beginning of that nine minutes, at the end, you know, I mean, you know, you certainly calm down a little bit. It`s -- Aisha`s a pretty headstrong -- strong personality, a fun-loving person. She`s outspoken. If she feels a certain way, she`d speak up, whether it`s to her friends or family. You know, she expresses her opinion very well.
GRACE: Farouk, let me ask you a question. What was she studying? What did she want to be?
SHEIKH: I know that day, her final was for government affairs. She has an interesting education. She was also working at a -- I think Montessori-style school part-time to pay for her way through college.
GRACE: Are you saying Montessori? Is that what you just said?
SHEIKH: I`m sorry. Say that?
GRACE: She was working at a Montessori school? Is that what you...
SHEIKH: She was working at a -- she was working at a Montessori-style school. I don`t know if it was an official Montessori school.
GRACE: Right. And how far away was she from graduation?
SHEIKH: Ma`am, I don`t know exactly (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: OK, Farouk, let me ask you a couple quick questions. Where was her husband from? Where is he from?
SHEIKH: He`s from Pakistan.
GRACE: Where was Aisha born?
SHEIKH: Aisha was born in New York, I believe, in New York state.
GRACE: In the States. So she was raised in the States. Where was the husband raised?
SHEIKH: He was raised in -- he was raised in Pakistan.
GRACE: How long has he been in the country?
SHEIKH: I believe he`s been here since about the middle of the year.
GRACE: The middle of 2011?
SHEIKH: Yes, 2011. Yes.
GRACE: OK. So when was it that they had their dating relationship? Because if he`s only been -- she`s been married five months, and he`s been here six months. What, they dated...
SHEIKH: Well, she actually lived in Pakistan when she was younger, in the last few years. I don`t have the exact timeline (INAUDIBLE) But she spent a lot of time there, has been there many times on vacation. Her family is from the northern part of Pakistan. It`s not a big city.
GRACE: So he`s been in the country six months, and he`s been married for five months of that time. Was he applying for citizenship?
SHEIKH: I don`t think you apply for citizenships right away. If you get married or when you get a green card -- I came to the United States, I came here as an immigrant. You get a green card and you make an application for citizenship (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: OK, unleash the lawyers. Joining me is Renee Rockwell, Atlanta defense attorney joining us today from our Manhattan studios. Also with us, renowned attorney Jason Oshins, who practices in multiple jurisdictions. Along with us and taking your calls is Aisha`s cousin, Farouk.
Jason Oshins, both you and Renee have also done immigration law. What effect does a marriage have on your status in applying for a visa, green card? First you, Oshins.
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. Well, assuming you`re here legally and then you do marry, you can upgrade your status by notifying INS, and then there`s a process of evaluation to determine if the marriage is legitimate or not and...
GRACE: Right. What about it, Renee?
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. It`s a free pass, Nancy, if the marriage is legitimate.
GRACE: Free pass if the marriage is legitimate. Right now, we`re trying to determine where this gorgeous young co-ed is. Has she been snatched from her college campus? No sign of her as of tonight. Where is Aisha Khan?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t know what`s happening, you know, if she`s out there in the cold, if she`s hungry for the last two days, if she has clothes or not.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
AISHA KHAN: Oh, my gosh. It was so scary! My heart is, like, pounding. I`ve never got this scared in my life. And he left. He was so pissed!
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls. Where is this young co-ed, Aisha Khan? Now, according to police, she was kidnapped, accosted, taken away while sitting outside, studying for her next exam in governmental affairs. Take a look. That`s where she was.
Construction workers nearby say they saw her sauntering off, but her family says no way. She left nine -- over the course of nine minutes, left multiple messages with sisters and cousins that she had been accosted and was afraid. Are the facts jibing tonight?
Out to the lines. Inette in Vermont. Hi, Inette. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I was wondering if the husband`s been investigated and if they`ve checked into the construction workers.
GRACE: You know, that is an excellent question, especially regarding the construction workers. Why so important, Sheryl McCollum? McCollum, crime analyst, director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. What about it, Sheryl?
SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: They`re going to check them out, Nancy. They`re even going to offer them polygraphs. They`re going to go over their history. They`re going to go over their backgrounds...
GRACE: I don`t know if really "offer" is really the right word. I mean, it ain`t an engraved invitation to come on down to the police station and take a polygraph! But come on. Construction workers, right...
GRACE: They go from job to job to job.
MCCOLLUM: They go from job to job.
GRACE: Very hard to find them. And very often, just because the college doesn`t know who they are, they`re not working for the college...
GRACE: ... immediately, police would focus on them, as they would the husband. That`s just immediate police procedure.
MCCOLLUM: Standard procedure.
GRACE: Why, Sheryl?
MCCOLLUM: Well, 90 percent of the time a woman is missing, her husband or ex-husband or boyfriend or ex-boyfriend has something to do with it. But here the close proximity, the fact that she left her belongings there, the fact that she made phone calls for over nine minutes -- that doesn`t suggest her husband was standing there.
GRACE: I agree with that.
MCCOLLUM: That`s (INAUDIBLE) stranger.
GRACE: I agree with that. She didn`t mention her husband.
And back to Farouk. Farouk, isn`t it true that the husband absolutely has an alibi for the time she went missing?
SHEIKH: Yes. I mean, listen, you know, the husband -- you know, in all these cases, like you said, typically, somebody may be involved (INAUDIBLE) You know, this is a very close family. There`s a lot of family supporting her and...
GRACE: Hey, Farouk, speaking of it being a close family, did they, Aisha and her husband, live with their family?
SHEIKH: Actually, Aisha and her sister and their two husbands live together.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Community members have gotten together at our house, and anywhere -- and anywhere they see us, they stop us and say, Hey, listen, how can we help?
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOE GOMEZ, REPORTER, KTRH RADIO: This beautiful, 19-year-old college girl, police believe she was abducted from her college campus.
AISHA KHAN, MISSING 19-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE STUDENT: My gosh, it was so scary.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It`s an effort driven by the frantic message Khan left her sister just moments before she disappeared.
KHAN: My heart is like pounding. I`ve never got this scared in my life.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: After a strange man who she says smelled like marijuana, says she slapped the suspect and ran away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She hit him and then he ran away.
KHAN: He left and he was so pissed.
SANA HABIB, COUSIN OF MISSING 19-YEAR-OLD GIRL, AISHA KHAN: She slapped him. He was very mad after and that was the end of it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t know what`s happened. You know? If she`s out there in the cold, if she`s hungry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looked at all of the telephonic devices.
KHAN: Pick up your phones. I am freaked out right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re putting the resources into it as if it was an abduction.
WASEEM KHAN, HUSBAND OF MISSING CO-ED AISHA KHAN: I need my wife back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And think of -- I think of Aisha Khan all the time.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: We are taking your calls. Where is this college co-ed, Aisha. Aisha disappearing as she sits outside studying for her next exam literally dragged away from books and papers.
To Caryn Stark, psychologist. Other reports are telling us, and the family has denied this, that this was practically the eve of her honeymoon. We`ve learned a little bit more about the marriage. I`d like for you to weigh in, Caryn, and also weighing in on what Pat Brown and I were discussing regarding the tone of these calls made over nine minutes, six calls, to various family members.
I mean it`s just me. Maybe I`m the crazy one again but if a guy came up, an unknown male, and accosted me in public, and I was afraid, I would call 911. Why call your sister and leave a voice mail? And -- but -- how people react when they`re panicking is a whole another can of worms.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, not only why didn`t she call, because I`m sure everybody is asking that question, why didn`t she call the police, but there`s also her tone of voice which you mentioned, Nancy. And I don`t want to say because I don`t know if she`s really missing it`s terrible, but she sounds so light, you know, like I`m scared. Like I`m frightened.
Like that doesn`t sound very frightened or panicked to me. And I also wonder about the relationship. Not that I want to get her cousin upset but here she is with somebody who is not American. She lives with her sister. So there`s two families under one roof. This is a perfect opportunity for her to run away.
GRACE: You know, Farouk Sheik -- with us, Aisha`s cousin. How do you respond to Stark`s allegation that your cousin just took a powder, ran away?
FAROUK SHEIKH, COUSIN OF MISSING CO-ED BEAUTY, AISHA KHAN: We`ve questioned that ourselves. It`s not like we haven`t. And you know we`ve looked at, you know, her --
GRACE: Why would she run away, Farouk? What would she run away from?
SHEIKH: There is nothing for her to run away from. If she didn`t like what she was doing or the situation she was in, she would just change it herself. This is not a situation where she`s forced to do things and stuff like that.
You know you got to remember when people get married in our culture or as Muslims, the priest and the witnesses ask permission off the bride first. The bride can reject the groom with absolutely no problem at all. And that is absolutely critical --
GRACE: The bride can reject what? What does that bride reject?
SHEIKH: The bride either accepts or rejects the groom. That`s how it works.
GRACE: Now is that done at the wedding ceremony? The rejection or the acceptance?
SHEIKH: That is done at the wedding ceremony. Absolutely.
GRACE: Come on, Farouk. Please. I mean, how often when people have doubts are they going to say in front of a whole group of family and friends and a priest, for Pete`s sake, yes, I was wrong and want to run out right now.
SHEIKH: But ma`am, she`s extremely close to her sister, she`s extremely close to her cousin, she`s extremely close to a lot of people. She had a very open relationship with them. She never expressed this --
SHEIKH: -- concern that you are raising ever.
GRACE: Well, what`s raising a red flag for me is that you are saying that your own family questioned, would she have run away? You know and I`m just putting it out there right now. No way would I ever run away from my twins and my family. No way. I want to run to them.
Farouk, are you saying she lived with her sister and her sister`s husband as well?
GRACE: All right.
SHEIKH: Her and her husband live with her sister and her sister`s husband.
GRACE: Did she and her husband share the same bedroom?
GRACE: OK. Is there any chance she was pregnant?
SHEIKH: I mean, I don`t know if she was pregnant or not. I -- you know, if there`s -- you know, as far as we know she wasn`t pregnant.
GRACE: OK. And where was the husband at the time she went missing? I know he`s got an alibi. What is the alibi? I want to nail that down.
SHEIKH: You know, I got to be honest, I personally haven`t asked him where he was.
SHEIKH: I know he was with some family or whatever. But I don`t know exactly.
GRACE: All right. All right. We`ll get to the bottom of that. Don`t go --
SHEIKH: It was Friday --
GRACE: They were going to go where?
SHEIKH: It was Friday. Everybody -- you know, typically you go for prayers on Friday afternoon. He was -- he was in that mode and she had told her mother that morning that she would meet her at prayers and spend the afternoon with her mom because she had been studying for the previous few days and weeks and hadn`t spent that much time with her mom, and she was looking forward to it. And she expressed that to her mother that morning.
The other thing I want to quickly say, is earlier on one of your guest experts that I appreciate everything they`re saying, and you know, look, you guys are raising these questions are normal and we understand that.
But that site, that area is cordoned off on three sides with concrete. Two sides are concrete wall. One side is a building. There`s a door that leads into the building from there. She was sitting about 10, 12, 15 feet away from that door. Somebody could have come through there. There was a construction site. There were fences. It turns out that there was gaps in these fences. I examined the site on Saturday morning right out of that quadrangle area she was sitting in.
Immediately after it, there was a gap, a small gap in the fence if she -- probably took a left turn where there`s virtually no visibility. There is a narrow gap that you can squeeze through but easily that somebody can get to to the back of the construction site. There`s a lot of areas there -- there were -- you know, there`s a lot of openings there.
SHEIKH: There`s an opening also --
GRACE: Let`s bring up the diagram, please, Liz. I want to see that. I want to see what he`s talking about.
With me is Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining us today out of Philly.
You know, Dr. Manion, it was 40 to 41 degrees outside. And to my knowledge Aisha was not a smoker but sitting outside to study.
DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ: Yes, it seems a bit odd. And the fact that all of her belongings in my impression are neatly there on the bench, picnic bench, and the fact that there`s no digs in the ground, no marks in the ground. If he was smoking marijuana, did they find a marijuana cigarette anywhere?
I`m with you. Certainly she`s a little girl, 5`2", 120 pounds. Someone could have assaulted her and knocked her out and carried her off and she wouldn`t even have screamed. We have to treat it as the worst scenario initially. But I`m with you, everything has to be explored and if she is out there running away, perhaps she -- her family should plead for her to call in and let them know that she`s safe.
GRACE: And you know, I`m also wondering about her cell phone. I don`t believe it was left behind. But Dr. Manion, we see that emerging so many times in missing people, unsolved homicide cases actually getting pings off the cell phone. And that was left behind. As Dr. Bill Manion is pointing out neatly left behind.
Is that right, Clark? I believe Manion is right . Was everything was neatly stacked? And what is this about the exam was at noon. What time was she snatched, Clark?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right, Nancy. Well, this happened around -- about 11:00 roughly a.m. and what was left behind was discovered by her sister when her sister heard this voice mail, she tried to contact Aisha back, could not get ahold of her and then came back to the college campus and what she saw was an iPod, a backpack and cell phone all left in the area.
GRACE: Let`s take a listen to this emergency call she made. Nine minutes worth of phone calls to sisters and cousins claiming an unknown man accosted her.
Tonight, where is Aisha?
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KHAN: Oh, my gosh. It was so scary. My heart is like pounding. I`ve never got this scared in my life. And he left. He was so pissed.
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GRACE: A 20-month-old baby girl with a sling on her arm, a broken arm, goes missing out of her own bed? They put her to sleep around 8:00 p.m. around 9:00 a.m., 12, 13 hours later she`s gone.
Remember, in that same room, another infant was sleeping. A 10-month- old. So nobody checked on two infants the whole night? Nobody wanted a bottle? Nobody had a wet diaper? Nobody woke up crying? I find that very, very difficult to believe.
Out to Mike Violette, host, WGAN, "Morning News with Ken and Mike."
Mike, thank you for being with us. So nobody checked on either child the whole night? Now I`m learning that a neighbor says they hear a car outside the home around midnight.
MIKE VIOLETTE, RADIO HOST, WGAN MORNING NEWS WITH KEN AND MIKE: Yes, you know, a couple of interesting things there. Being familiar with the neighborhood as I am, I actually used to live on the street when I was a kid. I grew up there. The houses are very close together and the houses are very close to the street. So it certainly wouldn`t be out of the realm of possibility for a neighbor to easily hear a car pull up, stop, whatever, and do whatever may have been done.
I mean the police certainly made a point of bringing this up and making sure the media and the public were aware that that car did do that. So absolutely given the neighborhood and how close the houses are and how close they are to the street, not surprised at all that somebody heard something.
GRACE: We are taking your calls. To frank in Florida. Hi, Frank. What`s your question?
FRANK, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi there, Nancy. The father seems to be to be either irresponsible or careless. Too many times when the baby was in his care, she ends up with a broken arm, with bruises. I mean, don`t the police have him as a number one guy in suspicion there or a person of interest like the police like to say? Doesn`t -- you know, doesn`t he merit a real going over? And has he taken a poly or volunteered to?
GRACE: Hey, Frank in Florida, that`s what I`m screaming.
Let`s go to you, Ellie Jostad, let me remind you, you`re seeing shots of Justin Dipietro from Maine`s "Morning Sentinel." He is not a suspect. Repeat not a suspect.
But Ellie, it does really jump out at me that I keep hearing the baby is with the father and she gets mauled, quote, mauled, by other children at Chuck E. Cheese. She gets trampled with him on the steps and breaks her arm. There`s another incident where she`s hurt again. The mom says she gets her arm out of socket or displaced and is covered in bruises on another incident where daddy has her.
What`s happening, Ellie?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: This is the mom`s family who`s making these accusations. The father finally gave a written statement. But all he said was that he doesn`t know what happened. He wants the media to respect his privacy. He said he`s told police everything that he knows. He didn`t direct, you know, any response to the specific allegations.
Basically what he said was that he`s told police everything he knows. He has no idea what happened. He said that although the mom claims they haven`t been in contact, he says they actually have. He said police have his phone transcripts. I`m not sure exactly what he meant by that. But you know he says he`s cooperating in essence and that he`d like the media to give him his privacy.
GRACE: I got it. It says, I have no idea what happened to Ayla or who is responsible. Blah, blah, blah. And I appreciate privacy.
Speaking of privacy, he`s certainly got privacy because John Depetro, isn`t it true, host of WPRO Radio, that he is apparently in hiding, that he and the whole family have left the home?
JOHN DEPETRO, HOST, WPRO RADIO: That`s right, Nancy. And on top of that, you`re exactly right on the statement. This is not a father out in front of the cameras pleading for the return of his daughter. This is not a father helping with the search. Handing off a statement and only he claims he`s fully cooperating with the police. We do know that the police have been watching him 24 hours a day.
GRACE: How do you know that, John Depetro?
DEPETRO: Police sources say that they are following him. It`s been widely reported. They want to keep a close eye on him. He seems -- I agree with you. He seems to be almost trying to point the finger to either towards the mother or the statement was so cold and calculating it wasn`t one of a desperate father trying to locate his daughter.
GRACE: You know what, John Depetro, WPRO, I`ll go ahead and confess that maybe I`m projecting the way I felt many years ago when I was a crime victim when my fiance was murdered. I couldn`t even form a sentence. I could hardly even think straight. I don`t understand these reactions and maybe, you know, you can ask defense lawyers, I`ll ask them right now.
Renee Rockwell, Jason Oshins, go ahead and tell me there`s no playbook for grief. All right. But I`m just telling you this smells. It smells. The whole thing to me smells in their reactions. Renee? But of course the mother and her family, they`re with me tonight. I`m about to get to them. She`s been out here with me answering tough questions about her rehab, her problems, that she went to court that day to get her baby back. She`s out there. Renee?
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, and if he`s made one phone call to a lawyer, the lawyer told him, don`t go on NANCY GRACE. Don`t say anything to anybody.
ROCKWELL: I bet a lawyer produced that statement.
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree with Renee that the statement looks very tailor-made by an attorney. But --
GRACE: Put him up. Do either of you have a scintilla of evidence to suggest a lawyer wrote a statement?
OSHINS: No. It just looks that way. It looks --
GRACE: NO. OK, Renee Rockwell, yes, no, maybe.
ROCKWELL: It says that --
GRACE: It`s a yes-no question.
GRACE: Please answer. Do you have evidence he`s got a lawyer that gave him the statement?
ROCKWELL: No evidence.
GRACE: Thank you.
ROCKWELL: But it sounds perfect.
GRACE: So you`re both making it all up. OK.
OSHINS: Not making it up. We`re drawing a quality inference to an attorney telling him, hey, the child was in your home. Say nothing. It`s not going to -- it`s not going to help you in any way, Nancy.
GRACE: Yes. Thanks.
To Ronald Reynolds, Ayla`s maternal grandfather.
Ronald, what do you know tonight? What can you tell me?
RONALD REYNOLDS, GRANDFATHER OF MISSING TOT GIRL, AYLA REYNOLDS: What can I tell you, Nancy? First of all, I want to thank you for doing what you`re doing. And I appreciate everything that everybody is doing out there. This has just torn me up. We have done everything that the police and everybody is telling us to do but it`s killing me. It`s killing me.
Let me tell you something, he knows something. You cannot tell me that you don`t know what happened to your little girl, to my granddaughter, to my daughter`s little girl. You can`t tell me that. You got -- you can`t tell me that you don`t know what happened to her. OK? And the statement that you made in the paper this morning, that was a crock of (EXPLETIVE DELETED). OK? And pardon my English. But that was wrong.
OK? Because everything that was said in that paper is wrong. All right. How can you stand there and turn around and say that you don`t have a clue to where my baby girl is, OK, which is your daughter? How can you turn around and say that you -- God, I don`t have a paper in front of me. And I`m really losing it right now. You know I just don`t understand this. I mean, why aren`t you out there screaming, yelling, fighting, doing everything that you possibly could to bring that little girl home?
GRACE: And you know what else -- Ronald Reynolds, I don`t like that arm in a cast. So far -- and I don`t want to jinx it. Neither one of my twins have had broken limbs. And I don`t understand how this whole thing happened. I don`t understand how every time she`s with the daddy, something gets broken or she`s got bruises on her face. Her arm is dislocated.
I don`t understand how two babies can be in one room for 13 hours and nobody checks on them? You know, just last night I saw John David three times in the night and Lucy four times, in one night. All right? 12:30 to 6:30. All right? So how can two infants be in one room and nobody checks on them for 13 hours?
REYNOLDS: And not only that, Nancy, but the other thing that really bothers me is that his conflicting stories is that he put her down at 8:00 at night and got up in the morning to go -- repeat -- to go and check on her. Now in the paper it says that she was laying in bed with him. What is it? What is it? Is it in bed, laying next to you, or was she in the room? What is it? Let`s get the story right here, OK?
GRACE: Where is baby Ayla? The facts becoming even more and more murky as the hours pass.
To Gaetane Borders, child advocate, president, Peas in Their Pod.
Gaetane, I understand that the dislocated shoulder I described was actually a pulled muscle, but still, I`ve got concerns about every time she`s with daddy, there`s a problem. Weigh in.
GAETANE BORDERS, PRESIDENT, PEAS IN THEIR POD; CHILD ADVOCATE: Every time.
GRACE: Miss Borders.
BORDERS: Every time -- Nancy, every time she`s with him, there`s a problem. There`s bruises, alleged bruises, broken bones, pulled muscles. I don`t know, but let me ask you this, Nancy. If your child is missing, would you beg and plead for privacy from the media? I, actually, would be hopping in front of Nancy Grace`s cameras, begging for camera time. You don`t ask for privacy.
I agree with you, something smells off. And I think where there`s smoke, oftentimes you`re going to find some fire. And I believe the police are looking for the source of the fire.
GRACE: Gaetane, interesting that you said that. Because when I was reading his statement, his written statement, my eyes stuck on, "respect privacy." Who wants privacy?
BORDERS: I threw up in my mouth.
GRACE: I don`t care if cops are running through my house.
GRACE: I want to find the baby.
GRACE: It`s just not all fitting together for me.
And, very quickly, to Mr. Reynolds. Mr. Reynolds, I want you to know that our prayers and our thoughts are with you. And it means so much to me that you and the mom and her family -- I mean, look, she didn`t want to come here and talk about her rehab and her problems and all that. But those are legitimate questions as it leads to the treatment of this child, but she did it. She did it, you did it, her mother has done it.
Everyone, the tip line, 207-680-4700. Please, help us find baby Ayla.
Let`s stop and remember Marine Lance Corporal Eric Ward, just 19, Redmond, Washington, killed Afghanistan. From a family of military vets, awarded Afghanistan Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal.
A morning person, loved eating breakfast with his family at the break of dawn. Traveling the world. Leaves behind parents Monica and Steven, a Marine vet, step-parents, Adonis and Dana. Brothers Andrew, Gregory and Taylor. Sisters Ashley and Lauren.
Eric Ward, American hero.
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