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ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT
Sources: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau Likely Shooter In Attack; Parliament Building Still On Lockdown Nine Hours After Attack; U.S. on High Alert After Deadly Canadian Capital Attack; Interview with Congressman Ed Royce; Report: Michael Brown Shot at Close Range
Aired October 22, 2014 - 19:00 ET
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT next, a Canadian gunman, a convert to Islam, shoots and kills a shoulder in Ottawa, as police searched for at least one more suspect. Parliament is on lockdown still at this hour. The prime minister of Canada will speak live in the next hour. Was this an act of ISIS?
Plus, the U.S. police and military on high alert tonight after the attack, are Americans also targets? A newly released autopsy results appear to backup Police Officer Darren Wilson's story about the Ferguson shooting. If there is no indictment, will violence erupt? Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news. We know the name of the gunman, who shot and killed a Canadian soldier this morning. Officials say the likely shooter is a Canadian, Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, born in 1982, 32 years old.
Sources tell CNN that the gunman was a convert to Islam. Ottawa police tells CNN they haven't ruled out the possibility that another shooter is still on the loose. They are searching for additional suspects at this hour.
And nine hours after that initial shooting, at this moment parliament is still on lockdown in Canada. Panic spread earlier today when the gunman walked up to a Canadian soldier shooting and killing him. He was standing guard at a war memorial in the center of the Canadian capital.
The scene quickly shifted to a nearby parliament building. There is dramatic video inside that building as heavily armed police officers entered with guns drawn and dozens of shots rang out.
BURNETT: A reporter from the "City News Toronto" caught the sounds of the tense moments on tape.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. There is a bunch of gunshots.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is going on? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a guy with a shotgun out there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A guy with a shotgun?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I saw him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out now, now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where do we go? Where do we go?
BURNETT: Questions without answers and moments later the barrage of gunfire.
The gunman trapped in the building was shot and killed by a sergeant at arms. At this hour, Canadian authorities confirm a search for additional suspects is ongoing. Meanwhile the United States is on high alert for any additional attacks in the U.S.
CNN national correspondent, Susan Candiotti is OUTFRONT tonight in Ottawa. And Susan, I know they are looking for possibly another shooter and they have identified the man who killed that soldier. What more can you tell us about him?
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They are trying to find out every bit of information they can about the suspected shooter who is now identified as Mike Zehaf-Bibeau. He is in his early 30s, born in 1982 and he was born in Canada.
Our sources tell us that as you indicated that he is a convert to Islam prior to this. He had a long history of drug problems and the CBC is reporting that he has years' long history of drug arrest in his past.
Now Canadian authorities, of course, trying to track down everything they can find out about him, with a great deal of help from the FBI, who has been trying to track any kind of footprint they can find on him.
Looking into his phone records, into his use of the internet, his e-mails to see whether he did this on his own, whether he discussed it with anyone, whether he had help from anyone else.
So these are all of the many outstanding questions they have and many more beyond that as they try to figure out what led to this shooting -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right, Susan, thank you very much. As we're trying to get more information as we get more, it is literally we are just getting things like the name, just within the past hour or so. So as we get more information we are bringing it to you.
At this moment, they are still searching for more suspects. Officials on the American side of the border are on heightened alert tonight. Nine hours after this first shooting, parliament in Canada is still on lockdown because they don't know if there are more out there. Jim Sciutto reports.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Terror on Canada's Parliament Hill.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a shooter on the loose.
SCIUTTO: At 9:52 a.m., shots ring out at the war memorial, the victim a Canadian soldier standing guard at the site.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The guy came to the side, on my left hand side and came out with a rifle and shot at the man and then the guy went falling down.
SCIUTTO: From the scene, police received multiple 911 calls.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All of a sudden I heard a shot and turned around and there was a guy with a rifle just around on the back corner, and just -- pow.
SCIUTTO: Moments later, around 10:00 a.m., shots fired inside of the parliament building just a few hundred yards away. Police scramble, a second round of shooting follows a minute later.
Law enforcement inside of the building huddle in a caucus room where they pile up chairs against the door to barricade themselves in. Police rush others outside to safety.
JOHN MCKAY, CANADIAN PARLIAMENT MEMBER: You heard this pop, pop, pop. Possibly ten shots and the security guards come rushing down the hallways and usher us out to the back of the parliament buildings.
SCIUTTO: In the chaos, the parliament sergeant-at-arms shooting down an armed suspect. Shortly after 1:00 p.m., Canadian parliament members report, the soldier shot at the war memorial is dead.
An hour later Canadian police announce a suspected shooter, a male, is also dead. Police however still unsure whether another gunman remains on the loose.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are still investigating the active operation. We are in the process right now with the RCMP in clearing and securing Parliament Hill and that is a slow and methodical approach.
SCIUTTO: And tonight Canada's capital of Ottawa is still on alert.
SCIUTTO: The Canadian government believe some 90 Canadians have joined jihad overseas or attempted to, that's about the same number as the U.S., but remember Canada has about a 10th of the American population.
Increasing focus now on this shooting being tied to Islamic extremism although that's not conclusive yet. The reason are one, the suspect was a convert to Islam.
Two, the targets soldiers, but also, Erin, you remember that just two days ago another extremist in Canada drove his car into another Canadian soldier killing him. The concern is that you have young Canadians answering the call of ISIS and other groups to carry out Jihad at home on their own.
BURNETT: All right, Jim Sciutto, thank you very much.
And joining me now are two people who were there when the shooting happened. Gerry Byrne is member of Canada's parliament. He is still on lockdown tonight inside that building. Maggie Miller is a reporter with the "Vancouver Observer."
I want to start with you, Matt. Obviously, Gerry is on the phone with us because he is still in the lockdown perimeter. Matt, you were there this morning, though. You shot a video of people running from the shooting.
I know you were there. You were covering the fact that Canada had raised the terror alert level late last week and a lot of Canadians weren't even aware of this. It sounds like they knew something was coming?
MATTHEW MILLER, PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU CHIEF, "THE VANCOUVER OBSERVER": Well, it is hard to speculate at this point, Erin, a little too soon to tell. But what I can tell you is that what you saw in the video from inside the halls of Parliament happened below my feet and behind my back.
A gentleman entered the building. A very loud bang was heard. There is a lot of construction in parliament so we weren't necessarily right way if this was anything to take credence of.
But immediately after that there was a lot of shouting, gunfire, hand guns went off from Hill security at that point. At least two dozen rounds by my count at which point, we barricaded ourselves in an office for at least an hour.
My thoughts and prayers are out with everyone affected by this and certainly my colleagues who remain in the building at this time.
BURNETT: And Gerry, you are in the building right now. I know you have been in lockdown now for nine hours. You were in a meeting when the shooting began. We understand they are still looking for other suspects. Do you have any idea when the lockdown will end and has it changed at all in terms of where they are looking?
HONORABLE GERRY BYRNE, MP, CANADIAN PARLIAMENT (via telephone): There has been some change, but no, I cannot tell you exactly when the lockdown will end. It will end when the police authorities are absolutely confident that either there is no other assailant or they can apprehend whatever other assailants may be out there.
I can tell you that there was -- the entire downtown perimeter, the core of Ottawa, the nation's capital, has been under a lockdown. They reduced that perimeter to more -- more closely around the parliament building just a few minutes ago.
I understand, and they reinstated the original perimeter so things are changing in dynamic as said before, but it doesn't seem like an end is in sight anytime soon.
BURNETT: It sounds like as you said they narrowed it and now expanded it again. And Gerry, we know the suspect converted to Islam and ISIS has told others to attack members of coalition countries, military, soldiers, however, whenever they can. This Monday, two days ago, a Jihadist killed another soldier in Canada. Do you think the shooting today was related to Islamic extremism?
BYRNE: I cannot speculate on that whatsoever, the most important point here is that police authorities. But those here in the nation's capital and across the entire country are on high alert.
They are pursuing what they know to be the responsible course of action, which is to be vigilant and at this point in time, it would be absolutely irresponsible to speculate or conjecture to what is happening.
But we can be reassured and somewhat comforted by the fact that police authorities here in Canada are stepping up and doing the job that needs to be done.
BURNETT: Matt, Ottawa is an hour from the United States border and many federal agencies and police forces in the United States are now, of course, on heightened alert.
Canadian officials have said, we've all heard this number throughout the day. That they have 90 suspected extremists in Canada right now who have been looking to join the fight in the Middle East.
Just days ago, one of those 90 individuals ran down two soldiers and they killed one. These people are supposedly being monitored. That happened. And now this happened tonight. We don't know at all that this is related to extremism.
But the question I have for you is, do officials have a real handle on the whereabouts and activities of those 90 people?
MILLER: Well, Erin, here is what I will say. It is a very dangerous situation for Canada. We have a certain amount of people that are known to authorities as potential extremists. But what I can say that as of today, Canada has lost its innocence.
I think there was a period of time where we thought this couldn't happen here. This wouldn't happen in our halls of parliament, but as of today everything has changed.
This is definitely an unprecedented situation for the country. To more waking up in Ottawa, it will be a very different day and a different country moving forward.
BURNETT: I'm sure it will. And Gerry, we hope that you will be home in the morning. We know that there will be a lot of changes coming to Canada. Thanks to both of you.
And OUTFRONT next, more breaking news. We're expecting a live press conference from the prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, this hour. We'll take you there live when we have it. Two Canadian soldiers have been killed in the past three days. Are terrorists targeting American military too?
Plus U.S. intelligence afraid of the big and growing number of Jihadists in Canada, are officials who spent so much time looking south focuses on the smaller board.
And autopsy result a new forensic evidence appearing to support Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson's story that he shot an unarmed black teen in self-defense. Will the city erupt in violence if he is not indicted?
And we are standing by for that live press conference with Stephen Harper. The minute that begins we're going to take you there. We'll be right back.
BURNETT: Breaking news, the United States military on high alert after a soldier guarding Canada's national war memorial was shot dead. New security measures are in place tonight at the tomb of the unknowns at the Arlington cemetery. The FBI tonight skin guts field offices nationwide to raise their alert in light of ISIS chatter calling for a tax on military and law enforcement in the United States. Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr joins me now.
And Barbara, there is now a way that perhaps there never has been before fear tonight about the threat against the U.S. military of a lone Wolf style of attack. What are you hearing from your sources?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is coming right really from the highest levels, just a short time ago. Defense secretary Chuck Hagel issued a statement here at the Pentagon tonight. Of course, expressing his condolences to the Canadian military, but also saying this very important sentence. The secretary saying the North American aerospace defense command will continue to monitor the situation closely and stands ready to assist our Canadian allies in the aftermath of this tragic event.
What happened earlier today, as the Pentagon was unsure of how things were unfolding, nor add a joint military command between the U.S. and Canada put some additional aircraft on standby, a bit of a higher state of alert ready to move into Canadian air space if that became necessary. So far it is not.
There is also increased security, however, at the tomb of the unknowns at Arlington national cemetery here in Washington, the Hallowed Ground, Erin. But there is a group of military personnel that stands guard there around the clock. Very similar to where the Canadian war memorial attack unfolded today and in order to keep those young American military personnel safe, some additional security measures in place for them tonight -- Erin. BURNETT: And Barbara, I know you learned that army intelligence has
been warning of ISIS inspired attacks on American military personnel when they are at home, when they are in the United States. Have they given any details on what sort of threats they are looking at?
STARR: Well, what they have been saying, really since about August or September, and they have issued intelligence bulletins on this, that ISIS, of course, and ISIS-inspired militants are all over social media with a lot of propaganda, calling for violence, calling for violence against U.S. military personnel.
So an intelligent bulletin indeed went out again reminding military people about being careful, about being cautious, about knowing that ISIS is out there on social media. And this attack, we do not know who exactly might have motivated the attacker, what his affiliations were. But it does go to the scenario that worries them the most, this lone Wolf attack scenario, inspired perhaps by various militant movements, almost impossible to predict and impossible to track and get to these lone wolves very often ahead of time. But this is really the central threat, if you will, that has the U.S. military so concerned here at home and where U.S. military families live and work -- Erin.
BURNETT: Barbara, thank you very much.
And joining me now, our counterterrorism analyst Phil Mudd, our terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank and CNN national security analyst Juliette Kayyem.
All right, good to have all of you with us. Phil, let me start with you. Given the nature of the threat, given that we have had two soldiers killed in Canada in just three days, what can really be done to protect military personnel?
PHIL MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: Not much, Erin. That is the bad news this evening. The problem is in the world I used to live in, the conventional Al-Qaeda world, you have a target that is Al-Qaeda that gives you a profile. You have a central leadership, that leadership communicates. You can target those communications and run informants into them, you can look at foreign security services, friendly security services that might have penetration of Al-Qaeda.
When you are talking about an individual, maybe there is two individuals here who simply sit in a basement, look at videos and decide they want to go kill a military officer, we can protect maybe military bases a bit better, we can do what Barbara was talking about earlier in terms of air space but there is not much you can do if somebody wants to take a weapon and shoot up a public place.
BURNETT: And Paul, you know, Canada raised the terror alert level on Friday. They had an attack on Monday. That attack was carried out by someone who was one of the 90 that Canada was watching, because they were concerned about these very kinds of events.
Now, tonight, we know the suspect named, there is a report in the Canadian paper that we have now independently confirmed that he was also one of those 90. Again, we don't know that that is true. But it raises the question that these might be names they were already looking for. It makes it even more frightening that they didn't see it coming.
PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: Well, that is right. And we know that the attack on Monday was somebody here with part of the 90 people that they were watching, somebody who tried to go and fight in Syria but they prevented from fighting in Syria by confiscating his passport. We know they were talking to him just earlier this month. And yet he was still able to carry out a terrorist attack, killing a Canadian soldier by ramming his car into him on Monday.
So even if people are on the radar screen, it is often difficult for authorities to prevent them from carrying out terrorist attacks. They just don't have the man power to watch all of these people 24/7.
BURNETT: I mean, Juliette, that is pretty frightening, because you got to imagine, you know, in the U.S., they also have people like that that they are tracking and then you have the reality that, you know, whatever sort of rules that we're given, you know, free speech or free movement and you didn't prove exactly what they were going to do, so you have to sit back and wait and watch for something like this?
JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Yes, I mean, that is the challenge of counterterrorism in a democracy which is the same challenge Canada has, as we do, which is we have freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion and that makes it more difficult. But it also means that these are democracies in which most of the people in the countries are not becoming radicalized. And that is the good news.
And the other good news, however, scary the fact that there are these lone wolves is, is that they are not highly sophisticated attacks that are bringing down buildings with 3000 people in them. That this is -- these are attacks that seem to be relatively quick. This looked like a suicide mission. We don't know if it is one or two and it is an incredibly long lockdown. And so, there may be a second one they are looking for.
BURNETT: It is incredibly long. Nine hours and they are still under lockdown, just to emphasize to our viewers tonight at this moment.
Phil, there have been ISIS inspired attacks in three countries that are in the coalition against ISIS, in Australia, in the United Kingdom and in Canada. The U.S., of course, had a beheading that was inspired by ISIS in Oklahoma. Is this scale of attacks that you are concerned about, these lone Wolf-style events or is it possible that there could be something even bigger in scale?
MUDD: I think what you are seeing is most likely what we'll see in the future because ISIS right now is not focused on the United States. They are focused on taking Baghdad. They are focused on taking and cities in Anbar province. In a way, the fight in Iraq is our advantage because ISIS' energies are not focused on New York City. The problem you have in this case, though, and one of the reasons that I worry about people who are not born into Islam but who are converts is the emotional impact of this fight, especially for converts, and in my experience they are more emotionally driven than people born into the faith, is that they can see images from the fight and turn the switch very quickly to conduct an attack like this.
BURNETT: Juliette, how big is your fear for the U.S.?
KAYYEM: Well, it is elevated today. And I have always -- I think we have always sort of -- should assume that there are sociopaths, others who will become radicalized and try to attack us. I like the focus on the military right now in terms of protecting them, being careful when they go out in public in uniform and protecting their families because it does look like there is a specific focus on military and law enforcement and protecting them is of utmost important for all of our security.
BURNETT: Thank you very much to all three of you tonight.
And next FBI and U.S. intelligence officials are trying to learn more about the shooter that terrorized Ottawa. Was it part of a bigger plan? Again, to emphasize, it is nine hours now since that initial shooting and the lockdown is still in place as they are searching for possibly another shooter in Ottawa.
Plus, America's neighbor to the north has identified dozens of homegrown jihadists ready to launch lone wolf attacks.
So, U.S., there is a lot of focus on the border and it is shorter than the one in the north. And it is also perhaps more secure than the one in the north. Are we looking in the wrong place?
And we are standing by for a live press conference coming live from Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper that is going to come in any moment. We are going to take you there live. We will be right back.
BURNETT: Breaking news, another major security incident tonight, this is at the White House. Pamela Brown is in Washington.
And Pam, what have you learned?
PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, we are still trying to learn what happened. But what we are learning here, Erin, is that there was a man that jumped the White House fence tonight at the north lawn. That is the same place where just several weeks ago Omar Gonzalez jumped the fence and as we know actually made it into the White House before he was apprehended by secret service.
Tonight, this man jumped the fence of the north lawn and actually made it then several yards, about 25-30 yards, according to one of the eyewitnesses that we've spoken to. He was then apprehended by secret service. At first, from what we could see, that suspect was resisting and then he was handcuffed and taken away. But we did see one of the agents. They were both uniformed in plain clothes officers. We did see one of the agents actually have his gun pointed at the man when all of this was transpiring. This is still unfolding but we did see the man taken away by authorities. And, of course, we will bring you any additional details as we get them.
BURNETT: All right. Pam, thank you very much. Still pretty stunning, as Pamela is reporting 20-30 yards over that fence. So still a lot farther than people might have expected, given what just happened with Omar Gonzalez.
Well, our top story, the breaking news -- the United States on alert tonight after shots were shot inside and outside of Canada's parliament building. The story is ongoing. It has been more than nine hours now since what you are looking at transpired.
It is still in lockdown as they are looking for a possible second shooter, I emphasis possible. But we just heard from someone in the building that they narrowed the zone for people to go in and out and they have now expanded it again. A soldier is dead along with one gunman, and there are concerns tonight that this was an act of terror -- all of this less than an hour's drive from the United States border.
The FBI is putting its offices nationwide on alert in light of the shootings. There was recent ISIS chatter that we are now hearing about that was calling for attacks against the government. U.S. intelligence agencies are now working with Canada also to find out who is truly responsible for the attack. Of course, we have a name of a man born in 1982, so, 32, early 30s who had been a recent convert to Islam, and a known past history of drug use.
CNN's Chris Cuomo is OUTFRONT in Ottawa tonight.
Chris, Canadian officials are telling us that Michael Zehaf- Bibeau is the likely shooter in the rampage. Law enforcement now I know is also involved. Can you tell us what they're looking at and what they know?
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN CO-ANCHOR, "NEW DAY": Yes, I can. We can confirm there had been chatter here. And it's creating a lot of confusion and here's why, Erin -- the typical way to look at this was this was an unsophisticated act by a lone wolf or someone who is frankly psychotic. It's not the kind of way that a group that knows what it's doing waste an asset, not killing more people, as perverse as that thinking is.
However, because of this recent chatter, it had been advocating unsophisticated knife and gun-type missions like this.
So, what the U.S. authorities are doing right now is they are trying to help coordinate the chatter that was being heard in Canada. One of the frustrations here for the U.S. side is that Canada has supposedly been monitoring hundreds of people who may have been being swayed by these types of calls for violence.
Another source of confusion, Erin, is that according to the latest reporting, both the man who was killed on Monday, and the man suspected of being the shooter and killed here today, were both already flagged by Canadian authorities. And a working theory that U.S. intel sources have is that there was frustration on behalf of people who weren't able to fight in jihad and instead looking for a way to die with honor here and that is how you see something that seems unsophisticated but has a purpose.
But if you look at today, as random and haphazard as it seems, attacking the reservist corporal who was securing the war memorial, why would you do that, but not shot the civilians around if your goal is to kill and to spread? In jihad, to kill military, as you know, Erin, is seen as more honorable.
And then, of course, the second part of the stolen car to get to parliament still not making sense. But U.S. intel are very confused with what they are dealing with here, because, Erin, as you well know, usually, you're trying to track this to other groups and check your boxes of who they would have gotten money from, education from, or contract from either in person or online. Here, they are looking at it in simple terms for now.
BURNETT: All right. Chris Cuomo, thank you very much. Live in Ottawa tonight.
And OUTFRONT, now, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Congressman Ed Royce.
Congressman, let me just put the question to you. You've been following this situation closely. You have been briefed. Is this an act of terror?
REP. ED ROYCE (R-CA), HOUSE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE: Everything here points to an act of terror and this is not the first time. In 2006 a group of 18 radicals attempted at that time to put together a plot with ammonium night rate, three tons of it, to blow up part of the parliament building and that point in time, they were subsequently convicted. They had a plot to attempt to abduct the prime minister of Canada and to behead him.
So, there is a past history of the parliament being a target for these types of attacks.
BURNETT: And you mentioned the prime minister. We, of course, are waiting. He is expected to be momentarily speaking live. We are going to be taking that live because I want to emphasize to our viewers, again, there is still a lockdown more than nine hours. They're still in lockdown right now, looking for a possible second shooter.
Congressman Royce, are you worried about something like this happening in the United States?
ROYCE: Well, I think the one question -- I talked to one of the members of parliament today who was in lockdown there and what he told me was the great shock was that this individual had driven a car right up to the front of parliament, which was, with all of the barriers in place, that was not anticipated, came right in through the door shooting.
And so, I think all of us have to ask, are we doing enough? Now, I talked to the assistant secretary in charge of diplomatic
security today as well, we are taking every precaution but the problem is that a request went out 30 days ago from ISIS to carry out lone wolf attacks against these targets, including France, the United States and our other allies.
ROYCE: And clearly, Canada has put up a squadron of fighter planes against ISIS, so they are part of the target list.
BURNETT: That's right. Their planes, of course, took off just yesterday heading to Kuwait.
But I want to ask you about this issue of the fact that he drove right up to the edge of parliament. You just heard Chris Cuomo say his name was known to Canadian law enforcement. That he was perhaps one of the 90 individuals that tried to go fight in the Middle East, wasn't able to leave the country but was flagged then because of that intent.
We do know that on Monday, the man -- the jihadi who killed a soldier, who ran him over, was on that list. This is pretty scary. These are people that are known. A lone wolf that people might expect might be something you've never heard of. But they know about these guys.
ROYCE: One of the real challenges under British law and to some extent in Canada is that they are trying to monitor and follow known individuals with jihadist intentions and trying to catch them in the act. And of course, that's a very, very difficult thing to do. And in Canada, there are 90 people on this list. I'm sure there's going to be more resources deployed now in terms of following them in real time.
But I think laws may be changed a bit so that when there is evidence that someone went to try to fight in the case today -- on Monday, we know that is the case. He was trying to get into fight with ISIS in Syria through Turkey, there should be the ability of law enforcement to intercede in those cases.
BURNETT: To do more.
BURNETT: And what about the border? When you look at this happening in Canada, the same about a number of jihadists perhaps, but obviously a population that is smaller.
You look at the border. The border with Mexico is less than half as long as the U.S. shares with Canada, 18,500 border patrol agents on the Mexico border, only 2,000 on the Canada border. That seems like a pretty scary thing when you start to look at today's news.
ROYCE: Well, if we think about it, we've been advantaged in the past. There was an attempt up in the Northwest, an attempted crossing to carry out a terrorist attack during the millennium and that was intercepted because of the good work of a border agent, as I recall at the time.
So, we have since 9/11 put down a lot of these al Qaeda-oriented attempted attacks.
ROYCE: The lone wolf element throws in a new curve into this. So, your point is well-taken that this is going to become much more complex with what we were facing after 9/11, there were small cadres of individuals that we were able to track. Now, you're talking about a larger audience. But not with the attacks of the magnitude that al Qaeda was trying to do at the time. These will be more pinprick attacks.
BURNETT: All right. Congressman Royce, thank you so much for your time tonight.
ROYCE: Thank you.
BURNETT: And next, more breaking news. We're standing by for a press conference with Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper. We're going to take you there live.
And tension mounting in Ferguson, Missouri. There are new details on the shooting of Michael Brown, the unarmed back teenager who was shot by a white police officer. The new details seem to perhaps support the police officer. Will violence explode if there is not an indictment?
BURNETT: Welcome to our viewers around the world. We have breaking news.
We are awaiting a press conference with the prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper. We are -- he is going to be talking about the events which terrorized the Canadian capital today and have the United States, Canada and many around the world on high alert today.
The minute he begins speaking, we're going to bring you there live. At this moment, though, crowds are gathering across the United States in a nationwide call for justice. It has been 74 days since white police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown, an unarmed black teen-ager in Ferguson, Missouri.
The protests at this moment are stretching from the East Coast, New York, all the way to the West Coast of the United States, in California.
And tonight, on the streets of Fergusons, tensions are rising as details from the autopsy and the officer's account contradict what many in the community believe took place on August 9th.
Sara Sidner is out front in Ferguson, Missouri, with more. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Michael Brown's official St. Louis County autopsy report is the latest leak from the investigation into his death.
The report first leaked to "The St. Louis Post-Dispatch" reveals two details the public has not heard before. Details about the gunshot wound to Brown's hand and forensic information that could help determine whether the teen had his hands up while being shot.
Witnesses, including this construction worker, have told CNN Brown had his hands up when he was shot by Police Officer Darren Wilson.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had his (EXPLETIVE DELETED) hands up!
SIDNER: We had an independent forensic expert examine the autopsy report which revealed where the bullets entered and exited Brown's body.
(on camera): Did the details of the autopsy give any indication Brown's hands were up while being shot?
LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSICS EXPERT, JOHN JAY COLLEGE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE: I don't think so. Based upon the positioning of the wounds, the entrance and exits and then reentrance, based upon all of that and the right arm wounds, it's just inconsistent with him having his hands up. I understand other people might argue and interpret it differently.
SIDNER (voice-over): But the autopsy cannot reveal if Brown's hands were up in the pause between shots in the car remaining shots. The autopsy also detailed a wound to the inside of his right hand near his thumb and palm. One expert told "The St. Louis Post-Dispatch" that that would indicate Brown was reaching for Wilson's gun.
But forensic expert Lawrence Kobilinsky said it's hard to determine if Brown was actually reaching for the unholstered gun in the patrol car but there was clearly a struggle.
KOBILINSKY: There is also blood, Michael Brown's blood on the gun. And there is also Michael Brown's tissue on the outside of the driver's side door. When you put all of that together, it really fits with a struggle that took place inside the vehicle. And again, it supports the story of the police officer rather than the eyewitness testimony.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had no weapons on us at all.
SIDNER: Brown's friend who witnessed the shooting said Wilson was the aggressor, trying to pull the 18-year-old into his car while Brown was trying to run away.
Michael Brown's family attorney reacted to the leak saying it is missing a key point. Officer Wilson, it says, shot Michael Brown multiple times and killed him even though he was more than 20 feet away from his patrol car. This is the crux of the matter.
Some activists on Twitter are calling the prosecutor's evidence tainted and part of a cover-up. The prosecuting attorney's office flatly denies the accusation, saying the evidence has been processed by both the county and FBI laboratories.
With every leak, tensions grow. Ultimately, there is a great concern that the grand jury decision could re-spark major unrest again in Ferguson.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some people are scared and they are stockpiling and just saying they can't get out of the house. It is people that are scared and other people that are so angry they don't care.
SIDNER: The grand jury, of course, has to look at all of the evidence, the forensic evidence the witness evidence, all of it, to decide whether or not Officer Darren Wilson feared for his life and acted legally when he used deadly force or whether he killed Michael Brown illegally.
Now, we just have this in from Attorney General Eric Holder who said he is very disappointed in the selected leaks that have come out that are supposed to be secret and the protesters here said it agitated them, every time the leaks come out, they feel like the justice system is failing them -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Sara Sidner. The world will be watching to see what happens when that decision comes to the grand jury.
All right. We are just moments away from a live press conference from the prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper. This as officials tell CNN more suspects may be on the loose. I want to emphasize right now, more than nine hours, almost 10 hours after the shooting, that they are still on lockdown, looking for a possible second shooter, still on lockdown tonight in the Canadian parliament.
We're going to bring you that news conference for you as soon as we have it. We'll take a break. We'll be back.
BURNETT: Welcome back to our viewers in the United States and around the world.
The breaking news: we are waiting for a press conference from the prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, to speak to the nation of Canada and to the world about what happened.
We know the name now of the suspect who opened fire in Canada today. A Canadian, Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, born in 1982. He's the suspected shooter. Sources telling CNN he was a recent convert to Islam. We'll see
if the prime minister will give us more details hopefully. But also at this moment, the Canadian capital still in lockdown, the parliamentarian is still in lockdown. I was just talking to a member of parliament saying they are still in lockdown. They're looking for a possible second shooter.
Our chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto joins me now, along with our national security analyst Juliette Kayyem, as we wait the speech, the comments that we're going to hear from the prime minister of Canada.
Juliette, what do you think the prime minister will say, needs to say? There are still questions here -- so many questions about whether they knew this individual's name beforehand and, of course, about the fact there is still a lockdown in parliament right now.
JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, I would anticipate he probably doesn't say much about the investigation because he doesn't want to get ahead of any of the facts that can be confirmed. Right now, we don't even know if there was a second shooter. So, his role is as the commander-in-chief, which is essentially to calm the nerves. And many of your correspondents from there has been saying this is a game-changer. Canada had always thought it was relatively immune from the kinds of incidents that we have faced.
And then, of course, there is still a lockdown, which as I said earlier is a remarkably long time at this stage for them not to know whether there are other shooters.
So, I have got to believe that they have some evidence that there is someone still out and about, because this is not -- this is the 10th hour now.
BURNETT: It is the 10th hour.
And, Jim Sciutto, as Juliette said, this is an incredibly long period of time. You have lawmakers. You have employees, these people who are now for 10 hours are still waiting.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: You do. It is an open question there, Erin, and I do know as well that there is an increasing focus on Islamic extremism, as being the motivation for this attack. It's not hard yet, but there are indicators that U.S. officials tell us.
One being that he was a convert to Islam. That certainly by itself is not conclusive but it's an indicator, combined with the fact that the target was a soldier, combined with the fact that just two days ago you had a similar attack, another lone wolf attacking a Canadian soldier with a car in that case instead of with a gun.
And the difficulty with these attacks, because the U.S. is facing the same lone wolf problem. I interviewed the former director of the National
Counterterrorism Center, Matt Olsen, yesterday, and he said the most likely attack to see on U.S. soil is a lone wolf attack.
And the reason, one reason for that is that they are so hard to track. You won't often have the same trail. You won't have, say, necessarily a phone call from inside the country to outside the country, to a contact telling you what to do for instance. You wouldn't have an entry into the country, someone on a terror watch list because they're already here. It could be somebody in the basement plotting this and that's a real tough thing to keep a track of.
BURNETT: Juliette, quickly before we go, the chairman of the House Affairs Committee here in the U.S., Ed Royce, just told me, he said, look, this is an act of terror. There's a lot we don't know.
But is it fair to call it that?
KAYYEM: I think so, and we've just given (INAUDIBLE) it was likely parliament. He entered the parliamentary building. And the prime minister was there. It was well-known that the prime minister was there.
I think we have to assume it was some form of active terror, but we don't know if it was lone wolf or something better organized.
BURNETT: All right. Thanks very much to both of you.
We'll be right back as we wait the prime minister of Canada.
BURNETT: Welcome back to our viewers in the United States and around the world. We are waiting for a statement from the prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper. He is going to be speaking to Canada and to the world.
An event that has terrorized Canada and from so many Canadians today has described the event that changed the country, has changed that country's history. An act that certainly terrorized Canada, as a man drove up to the parliament building, the prime minister was there, got out, shot a soldier and tried to kill others.
And this story continues -- 10 hours later, they are still on lockdown in that parliament building looking for a second shooter. We'll see if the prime minister will give us any more information as to whether there is a second shooter, whether this was an act inspired by ISIS, and whether the Canadian government knew this man's name before this event.
Our coverage continues as we await for the prime minister. And for that, I'll hand it off to my colleague, Anderson Cooper, who begins his program right now.