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St. Mary's Medical Center In West Palm Beach Facing Tough Questions Over High Mortality Rate; Report Exposes Big Holes In Airport Security; D.C. Washington Murders; Caitlyn Jenner Poses on Cover of "Vanity Fair"; Walter Scott's Family United in Grief; Aired 8-9p ET
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[20:00:04] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening. Thanks for joining us.
Tonight, what our reporting reveals about a hospital doing open heart surgery on babies without enough experience, experts say, to do it safely. Babies dying or suffering life changing complications. Tonight we're Keeping Them Honest.
Also, tonight, we have breaking news about undercover inspectors who put airport security to the test and found that it failed big time, time after time. They managed to bring guns, explosives through TSA checkpoints again and again and again all over the country, not just one airport. We just learned that the man in charge plans to do to fix the problem, we'll tell you about that just ahead.
And later, the headline in the quotation simply reads, "call me Caitlyn." Caitlyn Jenner's first public appearance as Caitlyn Jenner, formerly known as Bruce Jenner on the cover of "Vanity Fair." We will talk about that.
We begin tonight, though, with the story you'll not see anywhere else. And though it deals specifically with a hospital in Florida, it touches directly on a universal question. How much do you really know about whether the medical professionals to treat you or someone you love are actually good at their jobs? It's an important question.
Now tonight's report focuses on a hospital doing some of the most difficult and delicate surgeries there are on babies. Pediatric open heart surgeries going terribly wrong. State health officials known about some of these problems for years. Parents, though, they have not. Now, they want to know why they haven't and why the hospital's surgery program is still permitted to continue.
Elizabeth Cohen tonight Keeping Them Honest.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Just weeks into life, this tiny baby, Layla McCarthy, needed heart surgery. Here at St. Mary's medical center in West Palm Beach, Florida, Dr. Michael Black performed a delicate procedure to widen Layla's narrow aorta, a defect she had since birth. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just made it seems like he was the last
person to do this.
MATT MCCARTHY, LAYLA MCCARTHY'S FATHER: There was very like no sweat, don't worry about it. It is a walk in the park.
COHEN: But the surgery was a disaster.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I looked at her, and her legs had started, they had stiffened up a lot. And they started going in almost a tabletop position.
COHEN: After the surgery, Layla was paralyzed. Here she is today. The McCarthy's had no idea that their daughter's tragedy had a disturbing back story, one that no one had told them. Just three months before Layla's operation, a baby had died after heart surgery by Dr. Black, and five months before that, Alexander Mercado had died. And a month and a half before that, Kiari Sanders had passed away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's horrible that you go into a program like that, and they can be dishonest with you, and they don't feel a need to tell you what's happened there before.
COHEN: One week after the surgery that left Layla paralyzed, Amelia Campbell died after heart surgery, then Parish Wright a few months later and Landen Summer for eight months after that. St. Mary's keeps its death rate a secret, revealing a death rate the tell CNN could potentially lead to providing misleading information to consumers.
But CNN has calculated a death rate based on these internal hospital reports which includes surgical caseloads. We calculate that from 2011 to 2013, the death rate for open heart surgery on children at St. Mary's medical center was more than three times higher than the national average.
These are all parents who lost their babies after heart surgery by Dr. Black at St. Mary's. They hadn't met each other until they sat down to talk to us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He really sounded like he knows what he was doing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All I could do is believed in his word. And it was the opposite of what he said.
COHEN: So your baby was transferred to a different hospital?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They couldn't do anything for her. Her organs shut down.
COHEN: At the second hospital, did they explain what happened in the first hospital?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The previous doctor thought that Michael Black, kings an artery, and that's why she wasn't getting any blood flow to the left side of her heart.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is difficult to hear. Just to hear what other mothers went through in that -- the same severe --
COHEN: St. Mary's owned by Tenet healthcare says CNN is wrong about the program's death rate, but refuses to provide what it considers the correct death rate. The hospital and heart surgeon, Dr. Black, rejected requests for an on camera interview, so we tracked down the CEO David Carbone to give him a chance to explain.
Hi, Mr. Carbone, it's Elizabeth Cohen at CNN. How are you, sir?
Sir, we want to know what the death rate is for your babies at the pediatric heart hospital in your program.
He also wouldn't answer the parents' question, why did so many babies die at St. Mary's. Last year, a team of doctors from the state of Florida's children's medical services evaluated the program. It was at the request of St. Mary's, which sought to quote "evaluate and identify opportunities for improvement."
The head of the team, Dr. Jeffrey Jacobs, a professor of cardiac surgery at John's Hopkins, found St. Mary's was doing too few surgeries to get good at it. How few? In the United States, 80 percent of children's heart surgery programs performed more than 100 surgeries a year, each procedure giving them valuable expertise. But the review of St. Mary's program shows in 2013, the hospital performed just 23 operations. It is unlikely that any program will be capable of obtaining and sustaining high quality when performing less than two operations per month, Dr. Jacobs.
Considering the major complications like Layla's and the deaths of Amelia and the other babies, Dr. Jacobs concluded the situation at St. Mary's is not the failure of any one individual, it's the failure of the entire team and system.
The state of Florida has a letter that says there's been a failure.
[20:05:14] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think they should do any more surgery on kids at St. Mary's. St. Mary's is into the qualified for surgery they say.
COHEN: Dr. Jacobs recommended that St. Mary's stop doing complex heart surgeries on children, and stop doing any heart surgeries on babies younger than six months old. But St. Mary's didn't listen. Just ten days after receiving that recommendation, St. Mary's did a complex surgery on an 18 day old, Jashnide Desamours. And ten months later, St. Marr's did another complex surgery on 16 day old Davy Ricardo Brandao. Both suffered terrible complications and had to go on life support.
And more babies died. Westin Thermiles (ph) in April 2014, and just this past May (INAUDIBLE) died. In total, that's at least eight deaths and three serious complications since the program started.
The hospital responds that the recommendations to limit surgeries were just that, recommendations, not mandates. In his statement, the St. Mary's CEO told us we are working carefully to improve our volumes. So how did the state of Florida respond when it received these
doctor's concerning reviews you? Remarkably, the state says they investigated and none of the issues raised broke any rules and that St. Mary's is legally authorized to operate.
In statement, Florida health official told us, the death of any child is a tragedy, and we will continue to closely monitor this program and this facility. That leaves these parents infuriated.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every day, somebody's making a decision to allow some parent to bring their child and to turn them over into the care of a group of people that aren't fit to do what they're doing.
COHEN: These parents want to know why St. Mary's is still doing heart surgeries on babies. And the answer may come down to one thing, money. According to a study on one type of open heart operation for one surgery on one baby, a hospital collects more than half a million dollars.
In response to lawsuits filed by the families of Kiari Sanders and Layla McCarthy, St. Mary's and Dr. Michael Black denied any wrong doing. These parents are left to grieve.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I never got a chance to hold her or none of that.
COHEN: You had to watch your baby suffer.
The McCarthys say they're actually fortunate that their daughter is only paralyzed. She's still with them, a lot of other parents can't say the same.
COOPER: It's an incredible report, Elizabeth joins us now.
I know you got a lot of this information by filing freedom of information request with the state of Florida. St. Mary's actually tried to intervene, right?
COHEN: They did. So we obtained emails from the CEO of St. Mary's. And he wrote to Florida health officials and he said I have learned a CNN reporter looking for those reviews of the hospital that we talked about in our story. And he said it was my understanding that those wouldn't be released without our approval. The state of Florida said no, we can't hold on to these and they did give them to us.
COOPER: So how are they allowed to keep this stuff private from patients? I mean, if a parent asks them, do you have any studies on how good you are, would they give them these studies?
COHEN: The parent that I talked to would ask about mortality rates and they would get answers like, they said they got answers like, we've done this before, and we have a good track record or we have done well. They got qualitative answers, not quantitative answers. And Anderson, I think a lot of people don't realized, hospitals don't
have to release their mortality rates to really to anyone, for the most part, and so parents get answers like that. So what we did is we went to the websites of the more than 100 hospitals that do open heart surgery on children, and we looked for their mortality rates and we have a chart online on CNN.com that shows who is open and transparent and will tell parents and who keeps secrets because we want to help parents make these decisions.
[20:10:04] COOPER: Yes, transparency is critical in that some like this tell parents (INAUDIBLE).
COHEN: And more than half of the hospitals are not transparent or that half of the hospitals that operate on baby's hearts aren't transparent.
COOPER: So that's on CNN.com right now?
COHEN: That's on CNN.com.
COOPER: All right, check it out. Elizabeth Cohen, reporting. Thank you so much. Incredible story.
Just ahead tonight, what the man in-charge of homeland security says he's going to do now to about epic security failures uncovered by his own investigators, an epic that is really accurate. Aviation correspondent Renee Marsh has late details tonight.
And later, the first photos and videos of Caitlyn Jenner, formerly known as Bruce Jenner and how she feels about finally living openly as the person she is inside.
[20:14:28] COOPER: Some breaking news to tell you about, late reaction tonight to a report exposing some pretty big holes in airport security. Gaps that you may have thought would have been taken care of many years ago. Recently, teams for undercover inspector for the department of homeland security, put airport checkpoints to the test. Get this. They manage to smuggle in weapons, even explosives, and they didn't seem to have much trouble doing it. To call the results alarming, that's simply does not begin to describe it.
Just moments ago, DHS secretary Jeh Johnson responded.
Rene Marsh tonight is Keeping Them Honest. She joins us now, what have you learned?
[20:15:02] RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, we know from a government official that these undercover teams, they performed 70 tests trying to smuggle weapons as well as fake explosives through airport security checkpoint. And these undercover teens were successful 67 times. So many of the times these TSA officers, they missed it. They missed these items and they were able to bring these items through security. Now, we do know they've been doing this sort of testing for years.
The goal here is essentially to find vulnerabilities and strengthen the system. So the test by design is made very difficult to trip up these TSA officers, but one TSA official -- former TSA official says absolutely not should the failure rate be this high, 95 percent, that was the failure rate, Anderson.
COOPER: Ninety-five percent. I mean, that's stunning. It's almost incomprehensible. We mentioned that the department of homeland security has just responded to this whole thing, what did they say?
MARSH: Well, until now, they've been pretty mum about what kind of changes they've asked for or what changes were implemented following this sort of testing. But just a few minutes ago, we did hear from the department of homeland security. And Secretary Jeh Johnson says that he's asked for six very specific actions. I'm going to go through them really quickly with you.
They want, number one, a revised method for screening procedures. They also say they want these test results to be shared with airports across the country. They want more training for TSA officers. They want those screening machines to be retested and re-evaluated. Apparently there were some deficiencies with the machines. They also want this sort of covert operation, this sort of testing that we've seen, they want that to continue. And lastly, Jeh Johnson says he's appointing a team to make sure all this happens in a timely fashion.
COOPER: With all the money that has been invested so far, have a failure rate at 95 percent. That's stunning.
Rene, appreciate the update.
Tonight, the security problem, it extends beyond the checkpoints that you actually siege, the one thing you don't even see unless you are one of the tens of thousands of people who work behind the scenes at the major airport.
Now, we first got interested in that angle earlier this year, when the delta airlines baggage handler, you may remember, was charged with smuggling guns on to planes in Atlanta. He was able to do it, authorities say, because he didn't have to go through the kind of screening such as it is that you and I do. He didn't and most employees, frankly, at most airports turnout, they don't either have to go through that kind of screening.
Tonight, senior investigative correspondent Drew Griffin has an important update. But first, Keeping Them Honest, here's the original exclusive reporting.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At Miami international airport, this is the security you don't see standing in line. CNN got exclusive access to the screening that takes place for what they call the back of the airport employees. These are the baggage handlers, the mechanics, the cleaners, anyone
you don't see going through screening with passengers. It's the same screening, no matter what kind of security badge or security clearance the employee holds.
LAUREN STOVER, DIRECTOR, MIAMI AIRPORT SECURITY: I.D.'s are not enough to stop malicious intent. I mean, you can vet employees for basic information on their background, but it's doesn't not going to necessarily prevent them from carrying out some kind of malicious activity against an airport.
GRIFFIN: What may surprise you is what's happening at Miami's international airport. The full screening of every airport employee is the exception, not the rule. CNN contacted 20 of the major airports across the country and found screening of employees is random and partial at best. And no national standard exists.
The only other major airport that does full screening is Orlando. Many airports like Seattle's SeaTac telling us an extensive background check and an airport security badge is all that's need for employees to get on the tarmac and gain access to airplanes.
It's a similar story we heard from Dallas, San Francisco, McCarran airport in Las Vegas, Los Angeles and even JFK in New York. Pass a background check, get a badge, and you have access to the inner workings of America's airports, without going through the same screening passengers face up top. Airport officials have told CNN, the cost of screening all employees is simply too much for their budgets. Security expert Wayne Black says, relying on badges for security is stupid.
You know, that is can be a security expert. I mean, a fifth grader can tell that if you're checking security at the top end, at the front end of the airport, you ought to be checking the back end of the airport. We have a saying in our business. And that is budget driven security will always fail.
[20:20:06] GRIFFIN: The TSA which sets standard for airport security says that in the wake of the gun smuggling case in Atlanta, it is implementing or considering a range of measures, including additional requirements for airport and airline employee screening, but so far, no national changes.
Restaurant employees and flight crews that go through to terminal terminals do pass through a check point. Those that work below, do not.
STOVER: In the terminal, we got to be careful with the bags.
GRIFFIN: In Miami, airport security director Lauren Stover says checking some but not all airport employees just isn't enough. The threats at her airport are the same across the country. Smuggling, guns, drugs and the potential of terror.
STOVER: One of the greatest vulnerabilities for this airport and probably any other major airport like MIA, is the insider threat. Basically, people that are going to obtain their credentials and use their access to exploit the system.
GRIFFIN: Miami international has been screening like this ever since a drug smuggling scandal the late 1990s. Every employee with access to airplanes goes through metal detectors and screening. Going to work, coming back from break, every time, everyone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So in this day and age, we have to go at terrorism.
GRIFFIN: Miami is an example for how security should be done. The airport also has proof of why. Last year alone, 209 employee I.D. badges were confiscated due to violations caught by screening.
STOVER: We have intercepted guns, drugs, large sums of money, weapons, knives.
GRIFFIN: Employee screening is under new scrutiny after the arrest of a delta baggage handler in Atlanta. The employee worked with a passenger to smuggle guns to New York. The baggage handler unscreened was able to take backpacks of guns into an airport where he passed them on to a passenger already cleared through security. Atlanta is evaluating the cost of full employee screening.
Put it this way. This is, you know, it's a costly program. It's really not that costly when you compare the cost versus the consequences of not having a program like this.
COOPER: So Drew, the Atlanta airport, I understand, has actually changed the policy since you first reported what was going on there.
GRIFFIN: They are moving toward full employee screening, Anderson. Delta will take care of its employees, screen them in the parking lot. The rest of the employees, 40,000 strong are going to be screened on a daily basis. They're also very much limiting the amounts of access points in that airport so that they can funnel all these workers through. That will take place by the end of this year, but that's it, that will be three airports in the U.S. that will have full employee screening.
COOPER: Is it expected the TSA was ever going to demand full employee screening at some point?
GRIFFIN: You know, right, not quite the contrary. The TSA has a committee. They studied it. And for some reason or another, they say that they don't believe, the committee doesn't believe full employee screening will add as much security as everybody else seems to think. So there are only going to have random checks. They are going to require that background checks be done every two years, not every ten years. And they're also going to try to limit the access points to these back alley ways of the airports. But no, the TSA is not demanding full employee screening.
COOPER: That's incredible. Again, another great job reporting, Drew. Thanks very much. A lot more ahead tonight including the lawyer who just spoke with a
suspect in the D.C. mansion murders. And the surprising reason he says he did not do it. It's being called the pizza defense. You can decide what to make it.
And later, the remarkable story behind Caitlyn Jenner's transformation from Bruce Jenner. Details from the "Vanity Fair" profile and Dr. Drew Pinsky joins us as well.
[20:27:48] COOPER: Large outpouring today for the father, mother and 10-year-old son who along is with their housekeeper were held captive and murdered in their home in Washington last month. Hundreds attending the funeral for Sava Sovapoulos, his wife, Amy, and their son, Philip. Abigail and Katrina Sovapoulos were away during the murders. Police have a suspect Daron Wint in custody.
His former attorney, Robin Ficker, spoke with him over the weekend and joins us now and so does law enforcement analyst and retired NYPD detective Harry Houck.
Mr. Ficker, I appreciate you being with us. You met with Daron Wint for two hours over the weekend. And I pretty say he is well spoken, and did he would never harm a child and definitely didn't do this. What makes you so sure of that? Because I mean, that does sure sound of like the thing that just about every neighbor who's ever interviewed says about somebody who's surprisingly commits a crime?
ROBIN FICKER, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR DARON WINT: This is a family of nine children, five girls and four boys. They took care of each other growing up. They come from another country, British Guiana, a small country of 750,000. Daron Wint has a daughter. He is not the type of person that will harm a child because he's taken care of children all his life.
COOPER: Wait a minute. I mean, you know, I mean, look. He is innocent until he is proven guilty, and maybe he didn't do this. But there's plenty of people who have daughters or sons who have committed murders.
FICKER: But there aren't many families of nine children that are taking care of each other. His mother --
COOPER: Are you kidding?
FICKER: I'm not kidding.
COOPER: You are saying, if you have a big family, you're less likely to commit murder.
FICKER: I'm saying that when there are nine kids that are all about the same age, they're likely to take care of each other. And that's what happens in this family because I met the mother, the brother, and the sister who were encouraged me to go down and indeed retain me to go down and talk to Daron and give them their love for him and to see how he was doing.
HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: You would tell a jury this story and then hopefully your client would not be convicted? What about the evidence, councilor?
FICKER: Keep in mind that the defense doesn't have to tell the jury anything. They don't have to prove anything at all.
COOPER: Do you honestly believe that because somebody comes from a large family, that
[20:30:02] that makes them less likely to commit a crime?
ROBIN FICKER, DARON WINT'S FORMER ATTORNEY: I've met this family and I think this family is very unlikely.
COOPER: I've met --
HARRY HOUCK, RETIRED NYPD DETECTIVE: So what about the --
FICKER: They're nice people.
COOPER: Do you know how many times I've interviewed somebody who says, there's no way this person would ever commit a crime and then it turns out, lo and behold, they're a serial killer? I mean every --
HOUCK: Yes. I can't tell you --
COOPER: Every criminal who's ever interviewed their neighbors, everybody is always surprised. I have no idea, seems like such a nice guy. I mean, again, we don't know. He's innocent until proven guilty but is that really an argument?
FICKER: Well --
HOUCK: And I can't tell you how many mothers told me that their sons were good people and then just confessed to murdering somebody. I mean, you hear that all the time. What about the DNA. What is your defense for the DNA?
COOPER: Well, the DNA on the pizza crust. What about that?
FICKER: Just this weekend the FBI put out a report questioning some of its basic assumptions that it has used in DNA matches over the years. What about FBI hair evidence that was discredited? Many DNA results are thrown out. It's not a perfect piece of proof by any means.
COOPER: Well, I also heard you say that his family told you he just didn't like pizza. I mean -- FICKER: That's what his mother said. This is an inside job. People
knew that the victim had large amounts of money to dispense and could get that money to spend --
HOUCK: Then why did he flee, sir?
FICKER: Without the police.
HOUCK: Why did he flee?
FICKER: Without the banks making -- asking questions.
HOUCK: Can you tell me why flee, sir? Why did he flee?
HOUCK: Can he account for the time he was in the house? What about the money that was recovered. That money can be traced back to the bank.
FICKER: It can be traced --
HOUCK: Where did that come from? Did that all just magically appear?
FICKER: It can be traced back to the bank, you have information that this money was marked?
HOUCK: Well, certainly when a large amount of money like that is taken out of the bank, $20,000, $40,000, it's the same denominations that was taken out of the bank, and also a lot of those bills were new and they're sequentially numbered making the track back to that transaction.
FICKER: No one has -- no one has said that this money was marked or even that any records were keeping --
HOUCK: I didn't say it was marked, sir. I said that large amounts of money like that are usually brand new bills and sequentially numbered.
COOPER: Why did he flee? And why -- I mean, there was money and money orders found on him, weren't there, taken out with the people he was with?
FICKER: Why had the police held his head up on a totem pole and not looked for these other people they said were involved?
HOUCK: Why don't you answer the question, sir?
FICKER: Why have they put blinders on? Why aren't they looking elsewhere?
COOPER: Should they look for people from small families who do like pizza? Is that what -- I mean, I really don't understand. I -- you've actually not said any actual evidence based on anything he said. Does he have an alibi for the 19 hours that this family was apparently, according to authorities, being tortured? FICKER: I'm not going to say what he said, but I'm going to ask
questions. He is not a recent employee of that company, he was employed 11 years ago. No one holds a grudge for that loss.
HOUCK: So he's innocent then, oh, OK. He was an employee 11 years ago who is innocent now.
FICKER: Look for someone recently who holds a grudge. Someone that knows about the money that's being passed around.
HOUCK: Oh OK. Now I get your defense.
FICKER: The insider. The big boys.
COOPER: You've also raised questions about the fact that he's only been charged with the father's murder when in fact other people were killed as well. We reached out to the U.S. attorney's office, and they told us that that's a -- that's a standard procedure, to charge with just one crime initially and that additional charges are expected.
FICKER: So I was right, he is only charged with one murder.
COOPER: Wait. But we reached out to them and they said that is standard procedure and additional charges are expected.
FICKER: They're talking out of both sides of their mouth. If there are additional charges they should have brought them forth. Where is the --
COOPER: You've never heard of that happening, of additional charges being brought forth later?
FICKER: I've heard of lots of things happening by the U.S. attorney's office. However, why haven't they held a press conference with the mayor of that insiders being involved in this particular incident?
COOPER: Why would the police hold a press conference with other theories? In fact the police aren't holding press conferences at all in this. They're actually keeping things pretty close to the vest, which,. You know what, is actually a wise thing to do, isn't it?
FICKER: Not now they're -- they're not holding press conferences because they're hoping that Mr. Wint will be held and then point his fingers. But that's not going to happen because they need to find out who is involved in this.
HOUCK: Well, what I think they're hoping --
FICKER: The police aren't doing their job and you know that, former commissioner.
HOUCK: Well, I think they're hoping --
FICKER: You know they're not.
HOUCK: You will be the defense attorney for this man. I think that's what they're hoping right now because you'll be the best guy in our team.
FICKER: Well, thank you. It takes a talent to know one.
COOPER: All right. Well, we'll see about the large family and the I don't like pizza defense. If that in fact actually makes into court.
Robin Ficker, I appreciate you being on. Harry Houck as well. Everybody is innocent until proven guilty.
Just ahead, Caitlyn Jenner's remarkable transition. She tells "Vanity Fair" she doesn't have any secrets any more. She's finally living, she says, her true self.
[20:38:40] COOPER: Today Caitlyn Jenner, formerly known as Bruce Jenner, made a very public debut on the cover of "Vanity Fair" magazine. She talks to the magazine candidly about her gender transition. What it feels like to finally be living, in her words, her true self.
The cover story, including photographs, runs 22 pages. She also speaks candidly in a video of the photo shoot. It's the most intimate and detailed account so far of her journey including her family's reactions.
Randi Kaye reports.
CAITLYN JENNER, FORMERLY BRUCE JENNER: Bruce always had to tell a lie. He was always living that lie.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Caitlyn Jenner talking about her former self, Bruce Jenner. Opening up about her transition during this two-day photo shoot with photographer Annie Leibovitz for "Vanity Fair's" July cover.
JENNER: Caitlyn doesn't have any secrets. As soon as the "Vanity Fair" cover comes out, I'm free.
KAYE: This is the cover Caitlyn is talking about, a very different cover than Bruce Jenner's 1982 "Playgirl." We last saw Bruce back in April when he sat down with ABC's Diane Sawyer, his last interview as a man.
JENNER: My brain is much more female than it is male. It's hard for people to understand that. But that's what my soul is. KAYE: Bruce had been taking hormones, had his body hair removed, his
nose fixed and his trachea shaved. But it was his facial feminization surgery back in March, says "Vanity Fair," that completed the transition and Caitlyn's new look.
[20:40:11] JENNER: I was probably at the games because I was running away from a lot of things. Very, very proud of it. I don't want to diminish that accomplishment.
KAYE: That accomplishment landed Bruce Jenner in the history books. He broke the world record in the 1976 Olympics, winning the decathlon at just 26. He was the guy on the Wheaties box.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wheaties is the breakfast of champions.
KAYE: In this extensive 22-page cover story, Caitlyn reveals that during speeches given after the Olympics, she'd wear a bra and panty hose under her suit. Caitlyn also shares that she suffered a panic attack the day after that 10-hour facial feminization surgery, thinking to herself, what did I just do to myself?
(On camera): The article also reveals Caitlyn Jenner hosted girls nights with wine and food where she could dress and feel like a woman and be around women. Even her daughter Cassandra attended, telling "Vanity Fair" it felt like they could just be girls together.
(Voice-over): To those who think this transition is a stunt for TV ratings, Caitlyn says think again.
JENNER: It's not about the fanfare, people cheering in the stadium, it's not about going down the street and everybody giving me an attaboy, Bruce, pat on the back. OK. This is about your life.
KAYE: A life to be lived now as Caitlyn Jenner. She posted this on Twitter, "I'm so happy after such a long struggle to be living my true self. Welcome to the world, Caitlyn, can't wait for you to get to know her/me."
Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
COOPER: I should point out in just one day, Caitlyn Jenner has more than 1.5 million followers on Twitter.
Joining me is Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of "Dr. Drew" on HLN.
You know, Dr. Drew, seeing the "Vanity Fair" cover, I mean, it's -- no matter how much you prepare for it, no matter how much you kind of thought about it, it is surprising, and I think probably shocking for -- certainly for a lot of people, for a lot of people this is probably the first transgender female that they feel actually know.
DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST, "DR. DREW": That's true. And it's jarring, again, considering that this was an alpha male athlete at one time and now we are seeing Caitlyn. I think this is a great thing for the transgender community, though people are rather concerned that there is so much press and so much sort of a circus around all of this. They're worried that perhaps the more subtle issues may get lost in the circus here.
COOPER: Which is very possible, but you know, you know I talked about this before and I was kind of skeptical hearing that she's going to do a reality show about the transition.
COOPER: But you raise the point which is, you know what, there's going to be other people making money off her during all this time, following her around, paparazzi taking pictures of her, why shouldn't she at least be able to, you know, tell her own story in her own way and, you know, I guess, you know, pay the rent off it?
PINSKY: Absolutely. I mean, and again, seeing this story, I really admire people that are willing to come out and talk about things that have been taboo for many years and are very difficult to talk about. Having said that, however, I have some real concerns here for Caitlyn the human being. This is not a cartoon character.
PINSKY: People are way too quick to attack and judge. So for me, I'm just hopeful that she has the adequate support and the rest of us are reasonably kind and appropriate in how we approach evaluating this story.
COOPER: The other thing again I think is worth reiterating, which you often do, is -- and again it's a tough thing to wrap your mind around, is that gender is not the same as sexual orientation and so --
PINSKY: Very (INAUDIBLE).
COOPER: Who somebody is attracted to, you know, in their heart from the time they were little is different than the gender they feel.
COOPER: So people often -- because there's this term, you know, LGBTQ community, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered questioning community it's easy to kind of lump everybody together.
COOPER: But being transgender is very different than being gay or being lesbian. It's a completely separate thing. You can be a lesbian, you can be gay when you're transgender.
PINSKY: Absolutely. And Anderson, if one thing comes through, I think that issue has now become increasingly clear to people that gender identity is a separate phenomenon from sexual orientation. And people have -- it's interesting, people seemed to have gained a sensitivity to that, or are getting on board with understanding that phenomenon. However, they're really not thought through how poor Caitlyn is going to deal with the fact that she likes heterosexual females who may not want to be with a female. And that's going to be yet another source of stress.
And I'm just so concerned. And really I know he's gotten the love and support of his family. But boy, this is going on very publicly. There's a lot to go through yet. I mean, this is an evolving process. And think about this, there's so many layers to this, also. It's like tectonic plates shifting. Who is she going to be now with her children when she was a father? Now is she still father, mother? Who is she in relationships with other women? Is she going to be with gay women, heterosexual women?
[20:45:18] There's so many layers and layers of emotional shifts that have to go on for years ahead.
PINSKY: That this is going to be a very tough process and her heart really should stay in the right place with it.
COOPER: Dr. Drew, I appreciate you being on. Thanks.
PINSKY: You bet.
COOPER: Up next, Walter Scott was shot in the back, if you remember, as he ran away from a police officer. Tonight we have new information about the officer who fired the fatal shots, plus, new reaction from Mr. Scott's family.
COOPER: An update in the shooting of Walter Scott. North Charleston, South Carolina, Police Officer Michael Slager shooting him as he ran away from him. It's hard to forget that video. You don't see on the video is him firing his taser moments earlier. It was not the first time that he lose the taser. Now according to "New York Times," Officer Slager used his taser at least 14 times during five years on the force. Tonight, though, we're focusing on Walter Scott's family and the man they loved.
Here's Gary Tuchman.
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A family reunion photo on a beautiful spring day in coastal South Carolina. A family that has come together every other year for decades. But this reunion is a far different one than the family has ever had. Tragically different. Because of what happened to their loved one in the blue Dallas Cowboys cap.
[20:50:06] This is video from the last reunion. The man in the cap is Walter Scott. The Walter Scott who the world got to know after this video came out.
Walter and Judy Scott are Walter's parents. JUDY SCOTT, WALTER'S MOTHER: And he loved his parents. And he had
respect for us.
WALTER SCOTT SR., WALTER'S FATHER: He was a lovely young man.
J. SCOTT: He loved family.
TUCHMAN (on camera): How do you have the strength to live and hope with what you've gone through.
W. SCOTT: I don't think about it. I try hard not to think about it. Mostly I'd talk to a lot of friends. Talk to a lot of people. Just to keep it off of my mind. But most of the time I think about it everything.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Both parents have only seen a portion of the video. They couldn't bear to watch it all the way through. They want the officer convicted. But they also have an extraordinary feeling towards him.
J. SCOTT: We forgive him for what he did because he didn't know what he was doing.
TUCHMAN (on camera): It seemed to some people for sure that he did know what he was doing. How are you able to forgive him?
J. SCOTT: Because of the love of God within me. I can't but love him.
W. SCOTT: God said if we don't forgive others, then he's not going to forgive us.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Also among the people at the reunion, Walter Scott's four children, Miles, Sebastian, Samantha and Walter II. Their mother died of cancer several years ago. Their feelings about the cop who shot their father, quite a bit different.
SAMANTHA SCOTT, WALTER'S DAUGHTER: He could have handled the situation differently. I mean, he has a family of his own. How would he feel if someone took away his kids or his wife?
TUCHMAN (on camera): Can any of you forgive him?
SAMANTHA SCOTT: Not right now.
SEBASTIAN SCOTT, WALTER'S SON: It ain't the time. Let's put it like that.
TUCHMAN: Your grant parents say they have.
SEBASTIAN SCOTT: I'm a whole different person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will not let Walter's name go down in vain. We will not let Walter's name go down in vain. Amen?
TUCHMAN: Most of the small children here understandably don't know what happened to their uncle or their cousin Walter. But they will eventually learn and it's the wish of Walter's parents, that when they do find out about it, they also learn about how to forgive.
(Voice-over): Which they know from their grandchildren who they love more than anything is not an easy thing to do.
Gary Tuchman, CNN, Charleston, South Carolina.
COOPER: Terribly strong family.
Coming up, something to make you smile at the end of the difficult day, the "RidicuList" is next.
[20:56:47] COOPER: Time now for the "RidicuList," and if you've been following the saga of the governing body of soccer, you know it's a hot mess. There are far-reaching allegations of bribes and corruptions. It's a major scandal for FIFA. A pretty serious stuff for an organization that sounds like you name a Labrador doodle puppy. FIFA. Here, FIFA. Come on. Come on, FIFA.
Now, look, I'm not a sports guy, it's all I got. FIFA. It sounds sort of funny. So when official vice president Jack Warner was among those indicted last week in a U.S.-led investigation into alleged corruption in FIFA, and this weekend he made a video defending himself and pointing out what he sees as the United States' double standards.
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JACK WARNER, FORMER FIFA VICE PRESIDENT: If I was so bad and if FIFA is so bad, how come the head of FIFA is not? And then I look to see that FIFA has frantically announced 2015, 2015, this year, this year, Olympic final in the World Cup.
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COOPER: OK. Now unfortunately for Mr. Warner that article he was holding up with headline "FIFA Frantically Announces 2015 Summer World Cup in the United States." That is from "The Onion." Now if you don't follow soccer you might not get the joke at first that FIFA quickly threw together another World Cup to appease U.S. officials. And that totally finally if you're not a fan. There are plenty of caring, productive people who live full lives while also insulated themselves entirely from the sports. Some of them are named Anderson.
But this guy he was the vice president of FIFA. Surely maybe he should have known better, and really what person with Internet and a printer doesn't know that "The Onion" is a satirical site at this point. It's not like it was -- well, I don't know, ClickHole. Yes, I fell for a ClickHole article that quoted me as saying this at a commencement speech.
"Graduation is a big deal. Bigger than getting a hole in one while golfing. People might think you're lying about the hole in one, but when you graduate you get a diploma."
So, look, I just didn't think it was that funny, I just thought it was a stupid thing, and it annoyed me that someone might think I actually said a stupid thing. I didn't know what ClickHole was. I mean, how am I supposed to keep up with what the kids are doing?
It's not like I made a video and held up that article as proof that I misunderstood. I just tweeted at them. I tweeted, "Do you make this stuff up?" Which of course as it turns out yes, they do. Because that's their job since they are a parody site owned by "The Onion." So maybe I shouldn't throw stones at the FIFA guy. Instead I'll just remind you of the time I hosted a panel discussion with "The Onion" staff and I was totally -- I was in with them, I got the joke. Really.
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COOPER: Because anybody you won't pick on?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I mean, I don't -- you're the moderator and you're --
COOPER: Right. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, that's clearly about the warm-up.
COOPER: I like my face in that. I'm sort of resigned.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not bad.
COOPER: He was a gentle lover.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go.
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COOPER: See? I can keep up with the cool kids of "The Onion." Is it "The Onion" or just "Onion." I'd use "The Onion." I'm kidding. I really was kidding. OK.
Love is gentle, love is kind, so let's give the FIFA guy a break. At least tonight on the "RidicuList."
That does it for us. We'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. Eastern for another edition of 360. "BREAKING NEWS 35 YEARS OF CNN" starts now.