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Police: Several Videos May Show Suspects; Trump Stumbles on Foreign Policy Questions; Migrants Facing Desperation and Death in Europe; Thousands of Migrants Walking Across Hungary; Interview with Representative Ed Royce; Drone Breaches Security at a Major Sports Event. Aired 5-6p ET
Aired September 4, 2015 - 17:00 ET
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[17:00:12] BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Happening now, manhunt mystery. Police say they have new videos that may show the three suspects in the killing of an Illinois police officer, but there are also new questions about why investigators haven't released information on the suspects or how the officer died.
Trump stumbles. When asked about war in the Middle East, Donald Trump is tripped up. Tonight he's complaining about a gotcha question and calls his conservative interviewer third rate.
Terror and suffering. Driven from their homes by war, civil war, civil strife and terror, hundreds of thousands of immigrants pour into Europe from the Middle East. Is the spreading of chaos a win for ISIS?
And security breach. Police make an arrest after a drone crashes into a stadium during a U.S. Open tennis match.
Wolf Blitzer is off. I'm Brianna Keilar. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.
There's a possible break in the killing of a veteran police officer in northern Illinois. Authorities say now there are several videos from traffic and surveillance cameras that may help identify these three suspects, and they also say the officer's gun was found near his body. And that gun was fired, but they won't say if he was killed with his own weapon.
Our correspondents, analysts and guests are standing by with full coverage of today's top stories. We begin with that investigation into the killing of an Illinois police officer. CNN's Rosa Flores is in the community of Fox Lake -- Rosa.
ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good afternoon.
We are learning new details about the information that police have and investigators have been gathering, but let me tell you something. Investigators here have been very tight-lipped about a lot of the details that they do have regarding the three suspects that are the cop killers in this case. The wanted men that they believe killed Lieutenant Gliniewicz. Now, here is what we know. They have what we call golden nuggets.
These are pieces of video that they believe that piece together what happened before and after the killing, because here's the deal: they don't have video of the actual crime happening. And it's like putting a puzzle together, knowing that some of those pieces are missing.
Now we're also learning more about the officer's weapon. The investigator confirming that indeed the weapon that was recovered from the scene is the officer's weapon, and he tells us more. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE FILENKO, COMMANDER, LAKE COUNTY MAJOR CRIME TASK FORCE: All I can tell you is it was found near the lieutenant's remains. I can't reveal how many times it was fired.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it the murder weapon?
FILENKO: I can't reveal that either. I'm not at liberty to reveal any of the forensic evidence at all. You're asking me about forensic evidence, about the lieutenant firing the gun. I'm not at liberty to say.
I haven't had a chance to review the videos. Like I said, they're being put together. We're not -- we're not prepared to give out any specific descriptions yet.
And again, the description initially comes from the lieutenant when he pulls up, and that's the only description he provides to those dispatchers. And that's what we're working on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know you're being careful about releasing details about the coroner's report, but initially has been it been ruled a homicide?
FILENKO: The coroner is the only legal authority in this county to rule it a homicide. And he has a process of doing that. I believe what they do is they examine all the pathology, and they have a review panel in place, but you'll have to confirm that with the coroner.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you say definitively, was the officer's weapon the murder weapon?
FILENKO: I'm not going to make a comment on that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FLORES: Now, the FBI also pumping more resources into this. They have a dedicated website, a phone line, a business from the area also pumping in $50,000 in reward for tips that lead to an arrest. And we're also learning more about the officer's funeral. It's expected to be held on Monday. Brianna, more than 1,000 law enforcement from around the country are expected to attend.
KEILAR: It will certainly be a somber event, I am sure. Rosa Flores in Fox Lake, thank you.
Let's bring in CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes. He's a former FBI assistant director.
And Tom, we hear the officials there saying they will not comment on whether Officer Gliniewicz's weapon is the murder weapon. Why can't they say that? Clearly that's something the suspects would be aware of.
TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Right, but it's also something that the murderer is aware of. So often in a case like this, specifics of the crime scene, of the exact occurrence and manner of death, might be withheld, and what unfortunately, happens is a number of crackpots call in and say, "I did it." And so they want to withhold public -- from the public information that only the person that did it would know, and therefore, they can screen out these nuts that call in and say they did it.
KEILAR: They are saying that his 40 caliber gun was found close to his body. What does that tell you?
FUENTES: Well, I don't know, you know, how close. Close enough that who fired it -- and again, where exactly and how far from the body that gun was, is something the killer would know.
KEILAR: They should be able to, authorities, to tell if -- if weapon is -- they're not saying we don't know. They're saying, "We're not commenting." So they could know if his -- if the weapon is the murder weapon. Right? How would they...
FUENTES: Well, not necessarily. If the bullet that killed him was a clean through and through the body shot, and they can't recover the actual lead, then they can't do a ballistic comparison. That gun could have gone off into the wood -- I mean the bullet -- and be gone forever. If the bullet hit bone, like the sternum, center chest, or the skull, it could have been so severely deformed, that a ballistics check with the gun that fired it can't be made.
So there are circumstances, and the bullet has to hit soft tissue, has to not be too badly damaged, removed during the autopsy, then examined -- examined against at least against the gun that was recovered to determine.
KEILAR: We learned today there may even be more potential evidence in videos that have come to light, one overnight. There are others that are being reviewed that authorities have had for days. Why haven't we seen them? And why haven't officers or investigators seen them? Because they say they -- some of them they have not.
FUENTES: I don't know. I'd like to hear an explanation of what happened to the very first video that I believe was taken Tuesday evening, and they said turned over immediately to homeland security, and no one's heard of it since. We don't have a public description. The police say they haven't seen it since. That's unbelievable. Three days later. If you recall the Boston Marathon bombing, the picture of the brothers were on international television on Thursday when the bombing occurred on Monday. When you have a description to put out for the public and the police to look for, you want that out as soon as possible.
You know, we ask a lot of our police officers, and right now in this case, we're asking them to be psychic, as well, because they don't have an adequate description to look for.
KEILAR: Homeland security is involved in reviewing some of this video evidence. I know you don't want to put down homeland security, but you describe a very expedited process that the FBI -- which is also involved in this case, but not with the video evidence, that the FBI would take -- it would be a matter of hours, right?
FUENTES: Exactly. My first ten years in the FBI was in the Chicago division, and on a regular basis. And of course, in those days we didn't have the high-resolution high-speed equipment to transmit information and photographs like today.
But even then, sometimes if you have a hard drive, if you have bank robbery photos, let's say, that you have to have the film enhanced we could have an agent take that evidence, and did, almost monthly, go to O'Hare Airport or Midway Airport, meet an airline captain, United usually, because United's head of security is usually a former agent in Chicago, but you we would have arrangements made. The captain would fly it to Washington. And when he landed, an agent would meet him there to take that evidence to Quantico for examination.
And so if they received it on Tuesday, it would have been to Quantico by late Tuesday night. Now here it is Friday, and we can't even find the tape. We haven't heard boo. And originally, the police described that tape as having significant information and having photos of three men walking. We haven't seen that since.
KEILAR: A lot of questions. Tom Fuentes, stand by for us. Thanks so much.
In presidential politics today, both parties' frontrunners, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, are coping with some stumbles of their own making. CNN national correspondent Suzanne Malveaux is in Iowa. Certainly a popular destination for politicians this Labor Day weekend, as well as reporters.
Suzanne, what's going on?
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Brianna. There are a lot of folks that are here, and they'll be here throughout the weekend. But as you mentioned, the front-runners Donald Trump, as well as Hillary Clinton, both of them are trying to clarify themselves. Donald Trump, in what he sees as a gotcha interview, and Clinton in response to the ongoing controversy over her e-mails.
MALVEAUX (voice-over): Donald Trump suddenly on defense, getting hit with specific foreign policy questions.
HUGH HEWITT, TALK RADIO HOST: So the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas does not matter to you yet, but it will?
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via phone): It will when it's appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won't take me long.
Trump at one point confusing an ethnic group, the Iraqi Kurds, with the Iranian Quds, a military unit.
HEWITT: Are you familiar with general Soleimani?
TRUMP: Yes, I -- but go ahead, give me a little. Go ahead, tell me.
HEWITT: He runs the Quds Forces.
TRUMP: Yes, OK, right.
HEWITT: Do you expect his behavior...
TRUMP: I think the Kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us.
HEWITT: No, not the Kurds, the Quds Forces.
MALVEAUX: Saying today he misheard the question.
[17:10:08] TRUMP: When you say Quds versus Kurds, I thought he said Kurds. This third-rate radio announcer that did the show, and it was like gotcha, gotcha.
MALVEAUX: The conservative radio host later asking the same questions to a Trump opponent.
CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't think they're gotcha questions at all. I think that this is at the heart -- the questions you're asking are at the heart of the threat that we face.
MALVEAUX: Trump's other GOP rivals eager to pounce.
JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You' got to know who the players are, for sure. I'm sure he'll bone up on this now.
SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think if you don't know the answer to those questions, then you're not going to be able to serve as commander in chief.
MALVEAUX: Also on defense today, Hillary Clinton, in a rare lengthy interview, still struggling to end the e-mail controversy.
HILLARY CLINTON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: At the end of the day, I am sorry that this has been confusing to people and has raised a lot of questions.
MALVEAUX: And faced with the possibility of Vice President Joe Biden jumping into the race.
CLINTON: He has to make a really difficult decision. You can see him struggling with it, and I just wish the best for him and his family.
MALVEAUX: Biden says it will depend on his emotional energy.
JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have to be honest with you, and everyone who's come to me, I can't look you straight in the eye and say now I know I can do that. That's as honest as I can be.
MALVEAUX: Seven points behind Hillary Clinton, doing his own reset.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Me grouchy.
MALVEAUX: The senator acknowledging...
MALVEAUX: And Bernie Sanders, of course, still here in Iowa, acknowledging that yes, he is seven points behind, a bit grumpy, but he wants to press the issues. He's been very frustrated that that has not really been the focus.
And Brianna, I should let you know: for the Labor Day weekend, the candidates really focusing on using this holiday to court that all- important labor vote. We're talking about Bernie Sanders. He's headed to New Hampshire, Hillary Clinton back here in Iowa -- Brianna.
KEILAR: All right. We'll be watching with you, Suzanne Malveaux. Thank you so much.
And joining me now in THE SITUATION ROOM, we have Rebecca Byrd of Real Clear Politics. We have CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash; Jamelle Bouie of Slate; and CNN Politics executive editor Mark Preston. We are going to talk with them after a quick break. Lots of questions here about Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, including a scuffle between Donald Trump's security guard and a protester. We'll be talking with them in just a moment.
KEILAR: Well, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are trying to explain their own stumbles today. During an interview, Trump confused or didn't know some of the leaders and groups in the Middle East. He's now grousing about what he calls gotcha questions.
And in her own interview today, Hillary Clinton says she now wishes she had not used a private e-mail server, and she's sorry about the e- mail controversy that, in her words, it has been confusing to people.
Our political experts are here to talk all of this over. It's a big day today, guys. We have Rebecca Byrd; Dana Bash; Jamelle Bouie; and Mark Preston. OK. So let's start out with Trump and these questions. He confuses
the Quds Forces. He thinks he hears the Kurds. He doesn't seem to know who the leader of the Quds Forces in -- Forces in Iran are. Are these fair questions to ask a candidate?
JAMELLE BOUIE, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, SLATE: Certainly. I mean, if Donald Trump wants to be president of the United States, he needs to have answers to those question.
I think what the interviewer reviewed -- revealed is Trump is someone who, like a lot of people don't have particularly deep knowledge about politics has very strong affect about lots of different things, but no particular opinions. That's why he can feel free just to say whatever, because he hasn't thought that deeply about it.
But if he's serious about it, and these are the questions he has to expect. And those are the answers. You need to be able to get answers that Republican want to here, at least answers that make sense.
KEILAR: I wonder, Rebecca, if it really matters, if Trump supporters would hold it against him.
REBECCA BYRD, REAL CLEAR POLITICS: And that's always the question we have to ask, with Trump, every statement that he makes seems to be the next experiment in how durable his support is, and this I think will be the latest one. As we've seen in the past, his remarks like this don't seem to matter to his supporters. Maybe this time it will be different, maybe not.
Some people have called him a post-policy candidate, where people are really on the Trump bandwagon for his verve and his excitement that comes along with the brand Donald Trump and not really for the policies. We'll see if that holds this time.
KEILAR: Post-policy verve. What do you think? Does it matter, Dana?
DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No. I think that -- I mean, look, does it matter that people who are commanders in chief when they're in that position should, you know, know geopolitical issues? I mean, sure. They'll know that when they get there. And that's really the argument that Donald Trump is making.
And to be fair even Ben Carson who, you know, he's a smart guy, too. They're both smart guys. He's struggled on foreign policy issues. And other candidates who actually are in elected office, but who are governors and don't necessarily have a day-to-day interaction with people and with policy on the world stage, have had trouble.
Having said that, I think that Mike Huckabee said something today that was -- to Jake Tapper, I thought that was very telling. It's not necessarily about all the specifics and all the names. It's about judgment, and I do think that those are the things that voters are going to be looking for.
KEILAR: It is about judgment. I wonder, flash to 1999. It was about this time in the 2000 cycle, and George Bush was asked to name the leaders of four countries. He got one right. That's an "F" if you're grading someone. Right? He failed at that and went on to be president. Does it matter?
MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: You know, let's look at the time and place we are right now. It doesn't matter right now. The support that Trump is getting is really fueled by anger in the country right now about how things are being run here in Washington.
When it is going to matter, though, is it will matter when we get to February and March. And quite frankly it could matter in a few weeks on the debate stage out in Simi Valley, where if he engages with one of his rivals for the nomination, and he has that Rick Perry-type moment, that's when it's going to matter.
But right now in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't, but you know, Donald Trump, the criticism on him is that he hasn't been talking specific policies, and this is an example of where he's going to need to start to.
KEILAR: He better be studying right ahead of that debate.
BYRD: He's watching TV.
KEILAR: He's watching TV. Right. OK. Jamelle wrote this great article. And it says that Trump agreeing to sign this RNC pledge that says he isn't going to run as an independent, should he not win the nomination, you say it's a huge mistake. Why?
BOUIE: So there's a line from a movie that came out a couple years ago where a character is being taken to prison. He's looking across to the prisoners, and he says, "You're not locked in -- I'm not locked in with you, you're locked in here with me." And I think that's the dynamic. Trump has not tied himself to the GOP. The GOP has now tied themselves to Trump.
And so let's say he doesn't get the nomination, which I think is pretty likely. Let's say it's Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush. In October of next year, any Democrat can say, "Well, you said you would support Trump if Trump were the nominee, and look what Trump said about Latinos. Look what said about X, Y or Z." And that's a vulnerability that is entirely self-inflicted by the Republican Party. And I do not understand why they did it.
KEILAR: OK. Take a look at this video, Rebecca. This is a bit of a scuffle, if we can run this. OK. This is between a security guard there in the suit and a protester. That was a pretty serious hit there.
OK. We've seen so much political drama. Is this just sort of a sign of the "anything goes" that sort of follows Donald Trump?
BYRD: Probably part of the Trump circus. Maybe this is part of the caravan. We bought the ticket on the Trump ride. This is the ride that we take. So I think it is part of it, but maybe it's also just part of being New York. KEILAR: What do you think about that? I'm like, take it away, Mark.
PRESTON: You're supposed to (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I mean, look, the bottom line about this is it does show anger. It shows frustration, and it shows, really this division in class right now in this fight over immigration. And I think that's what we're seeing.
BASH: And the protesters who were there, I was around the corner, I didn't see that with my own two eyes. But the protesters who were there were trying to make a very serious point, in that they fundamentally Dana Bash; disagree with Donald Trump's presidents when it comes to undocumented immigrants and his policy prescriptions.
BYRD: And I wonder. You know, he's holding a bit rally later this month in Dallas, Texas. He's going to be, obviously, in Los Angeles for the CNN debate. I wonder if, in these states where you have these very big Hispanic populations, if we're going to see more of these protests.
KEILAR: More of these same faces (ph). We'll see. Rebecca, Dana, Jamelle, Mark, thank you guys so much.
Coming up, fleeing terror only to find suffering and uncertainty. What's being done to cope with this growing wave of human misery.
And later, a huge security breach at a major sporting event.
[17:28:42] KEILAR: Scenes of utter desperation have been playing out every day across Europe, as hundreds of thousands of people, many from the Middle East, try to find sanctuary from war, civil strife and terror. Some countries are trying to close their gates; others are struggling to deal with the influx of refugees. Is Europe's chaos somehow a victory for ISIS?
CNN's Brian Todd has been looking into that. What have you found, Brian?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Brianna, tonight, some analysts are saying this migrant crisis is indeed a victory for ISIS, at least a temporary one.
Migrants streaming into Europe from several different routes, including this one called the Eastern Mediterranean route, with most of the migrants there coming from Syria.
This is a very desperate situation. It is chaos, mass desperation. And from ISIS's perspective, its enemies in Europe are taking a major hit.
TODD (voice-over): Confronting police, throwing stones, getting tear gassed, slammed up against fences, scrambling to board trains, they're desperately walking long distances on highways, suffering and dying along the way. Hundreds of thousands of migrants have streamed into Europe, the largest influx there since the end of World War II. Where are they coming from? Where are they going?
According to Europe's border monitoring agency, the top countries they're coming from are Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the route where most of the Syrian migrants are coming from. They are traveling, and let me show you where they're traveling. They're either coming from Syria by land through Greece, some of them are coming -- and then across to Greece, up through the Republic of Macedonia, through the western Balkans, and then they're getting stopped in Hungary. What they want to do is go onward through Austria. Germany is their ultimate destination.
TODD: Germany expects roughly 800,000 migrants by year's end, almost as many as the population of San Francisco. The fact that so many are now fleeing Syria has analysts pointing tonight to a common and disturbing thread.
Seth Jones, Rand Corporation: I think without a doubt ISIS is a major factor here that is contributing to this crisis.
TODD: There are other factors. The atrocities of Bashar al-Assad's regime. The turmoil in Libya. But analysts say the war against ISIS which President Obama labeled a JV team last year has made Syria almost uninhabitable for anyone not wanting to fight.
Analysts say this refugee crisis is a win for ISIS because it's driven out people who don't sympathize with the terror group and destabilized ISIS' enemies.
JONES: It's created friction within governments and then among them in Europe. And I think as ISIS looks at this, it's chaos in Europe right now. And it's being played out hourly on -- around the clock on television shows, so this is its -- it's a psychological and an information victory, at least in the short run for ISIS.
TODD: Victory for ISIS and possibly another opportunity. Analysts say with so many people streaming into Europe, it is possible, and it's easier for ISIS now to possibly infiltrate the migrant groups that could smuggle sympathizers, maybe even their operatives, into Europe with those migrants -- Brianna.
KEILAR: But you think or you've heard that this could actually turn around, maybe backfire on ISIS.
TODD: It could. Analyst Seth Jones points out this might spur some European countries taking the brunt of this. Some of whom have been on the fence in the fight against ISIS, to put more of their resources, maybe their firepower, into that fight against ISIS.
KEILAR: All right. Thanks, Brian.
In Hungary, thousands of people are now on a highway, near Budapest, after authorities kept them waiting for days at a train station for lack of proper documents. The migrants say that if necessary, they will walk to Austria, and even Germany, where there's some hope of refuge.
CNN senior international correspondent Arwa Damon has been walking with them. We find her now on this road.
Arwa, tell us what you are seeing.
ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brianna, we're on the highway that links Budapest to Vienna, and people bedding down after having walked for about nine hours, because they simply could not take waiting at that train station any longer, being stuck in this very torturous game of political ping-pong, not knowing if or when they were going to be able to take the train.
Hungarian authorities increasingly putting on the pressure, saying that they're going to be taking them to these various different refugee camps. None of them want to go, but take a look at this. Throughout their entire trek -- in stark contrast to the attitude of the Hungarian government, people coming out and bringing in food and water, blankets, various different things for the children, strollers for the little ones that are such a relief to the parents that have been physically carrying them for most of this journey, but it's so dramatic.
When you look over this entire scene here, a field covered with people, hoping to keep going like this all the way to Austria and onwards, if that is what it is going to take. It has started to rain a little bit. So some of the parents have been quite worried about that. They are trying to cover up the kids as best they can. We don't really see them right now. They're exhausted. There is a volunteer medic who's been walking around asking anyone if they need any help. A lot of them have horrible blisters on their feet, as you see the woman applying right there.
They have been walking prior to this throughout a lot of Europe. Remember, this is a journey as you saw in that report that started by boat, and then continued on foot through Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, and then finally they got here to Hungary. And just a short while ago, people also coming through, bringing much-needed things like hats for the children, shoes for the children.
And again, this is what it looks like when you're so desperate, when you've come so far in this journey, this quest for a future for your children that you decide to finally take matters into your own hands, no longer wait for the leaders of nations to take these decisions for you, but you decide to come out on your own and make it.
[17:35:07] People don't know how far they're going to be able to go, they don't know how far the government is going to let them go. There have been -- there was an announcement that the government, the Hungarian government would be sending buses. A lot of them say they will not get on those buses because they don't trust the Hungarian authorities, but this most certainly is such a scene playing out here on this key highway, as this mass, this flood of humanity continues to make its way across Europe, Brianna.
KEILAR: Arwa, thank you so much for your report.
It's so important to be seeing exactly what is happening there. We are going to be keeping up some live pictures here in just a moment from Arwa's live location as we talk to the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Republican Congressman Ed Royce of California.
You -- I hope you were able to see, Congressman, the scenes that we are looking at. And even Arwa describing people in what's not really a generally friendly country, as far as the government goes, to these refugees, bringing people strollers and goods, as they make what is really a desperate pilgrimage to Austria and Germany.
What do you think, as you see these pictures, and as you think of what the U.S. needs to do?
REP. ED ROYCE (R), FOREIGN AFFAIRS CHAIRMAN: Well, it is a tragic and desperate situation. The EU ministers are meeting today, as a matter of fact, in order to try to deal with this crisis. The number of refugees are now in excess of 100,000 per month fleeing ISIS from Syria, but also from Libya.
And so the first question is -- what could we do at the source to turn back ISIS? Because they have expanded from their original encampment where at the time the Democrats and Republicans and the Foreign Affairs Committee asked the president of the United States to allow the use of airpower to suppress ISIS before it began to take these cities.
We went a full year with the administration rejecting calls from some in the Pentagon, from us, and certainly from the ambassador in Baghdad, for airstrikes before they took these 14 major cities, and even today three quarters of the planes that take off return without being able to drop their ordnance because they cannot get approval out of Washington, from the lawyers in Washington to strike these ISIS targets.
So this is not being handled well, and this idea they are a JV team is not correct. They're actually forcing people in terror to flee from the region.
KEILAR: This is the acute situation in these live pictures that we are showing you. These are live pictures on the highway between Budapest and Vienna. You see people who are sleeping before they begin to take off on foot in the morning. We've just seen pictures of a medic that is treating people there who just have horrible blisters from the hundreds, maybe thousands of miles that they have made their way.
Congressman, I do wonder -- I hear what you're saying about ISIS but this is the acute situation. State Department spokesman John Kirby, he told me that the U.S. probably by the end of the year they're looking at accepting about 3,000 refugees from the region.
Do you think the U.S. needs to step that up when we're just talking specifically about these migrants?
ROYCE: Well, the United States I'm certain is going to cooperate with Europe. But what we really need to step up is the offensive attacks on ISIS because if we do not turn back ISIS now that it's taken such vast expansive territory from Syria, and also from Iraq, remember that ISIS has designs on Jordan, and on Lebanon, so this will just continue to compound unless we find the will to figure out a strategy to use our airpower against ISIS in a way that is very effective.
And you know the criticism right now about the pinprick strikes and the fact that we are not doing this in the way that we -- for example, turned back the invasion of Kuwait in the first Gulf War. We had 114,000 sorties. We knocked out 42 divisions, Iraqi divisions in order to make the point that they weren't going to invade Kuwait.
KEILAR: Congressman --
ROYCE: And to see today that we are not doing what we need to do here, it's going to have adverse results. Yes.
KEILAR: All right. Congressman, stay with me. We are going to talk about really how these key issues factor into politics after a quick break.
Donald Trump stumbling today through a radio appearance about foreign policy. What does that mean in the race ahead? I'll be asking the chairman.
KEILAR: We are back now with the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Congressman Ed Royce of California.
And I want to talk to you, Chairman, about Donald Trump and specifically this interview that he did with Hugh Hewitt, where he really stumbles through some foreign policy things that we've heard so many people say, this is what someone running for office should have a grasp of. Does his performance disqualify him as a candidate?
ROYCE: Well, Brianna, this is an interesting question, knowing the answers to such questions as who is General Soleimani, and my critique here would be -- and this is one of the reasons why I think THE SITUATION ROOM is a good show. There has been very little coverage of General Soleimani's trip to Moscow to meet with Putin.
[17:45:08] KEILAR: The Iranian Quds Force leader --
ROYCE: And one of the questions I have --
KEILAR: -- who went to Moscow even though technically is still under sanctions and not supposed to. Yes, sorry, go ahead. ROYCE: So we are -- you and I are very conversant on this because
we're very focused on it, but one of the things I've noticed is there's a lot of reality television today, right? And there isn't the kind of focus on the news and many people don't know what the Quds Force leader actually led an attack himself into Israel. He helped lead Quds Forces and Hezbollah units into an attack into Israel.
If it's not covered in the news, the question is, how much does our public know about it? How much do even our candidates follow it? And that's why it's incumbent upon news programs also -- this is the other part of the equation -- to be covering this, like THE SITUATION ROOM covers this over at CNN, because without it --
KEILAR: If Donald -- certainly without it, yes, there isn't this context, but if Donald Trump, who is saying to conservatives that he is a friend of Israel, and he's trying to appeal to them in that way, if he doesn't know who someone like Soleimani is, is he genuine in his appeals?
ROYCE: And I understand the point you're making, and I'm a critic also of candidates not knowing the answers to these questions, but again, I am surprised not just in the electronic media, but in the print media, just how little coverage there was of these events.
One of the things I'd like to see is a much greater focus for the public on foreign policy, and for the candidates.
ROYCE: Because I think that will force a level of awareness about the complexity and challenge of dealing with these issues, you know, so the electorate can actually -- you know, the voters can weigh these issues and see how the candidates are going to respond. Part of that we should drive out of the media, to cover these events more, then voters and candidates will know a whole lot more about the event.
KEILAR: We are certainly aiming for that.
All right. Chairman Royce, we do appreciate you being with us. Thank you.
And coming up, the latest disturbing incident in a series of blunders involving drones. This time happened at a major sporting event.
[17:51:49] KEILAR: Police have made an arrest after a drone crashed into the stadium during a tennis match at the U.S. Open in New York. This is the latest in a growing number of incidents that are raising serious concerns about safety and security.
I want to turn now to our CNN aviation correspondent Rene Marsh -- Rene.
RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brianna, tough words from the Queens district attorney tonight who says the drone operator will be held legally accountable. Meantime the NYPD and FAA are investigating the illegal fly over this major tennis tournament, the U.S. Open.
MARSH (voice-over): A U.S. Open match came to a sudden halt last night. The action interrupted with a crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seemed as if that fell from somewhere.
MARSH: Broadcasters confused as security and police raced to the stands.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a moment here where we're not entirely certain as to what it is that landed in the stands, whether it fell from above, whether it's something that's been left behind, if it's a projectile or a drone-like device.
MARSH: It was a small black drone seen here flying into the stadium that crashed into an empty section of seats.
MATTHEW HORACE, FORMER ATF AGENT: People are trying this at airports. They're doing it at major sporting events. And fortunately this time there wasn't a hazard. But what happens next time?
MARSH: Police say 26-year-old Daniel Verly, a New York City schoolteacher, flew the drone from outside the arena. He was arrested on charges including reckless endangerment and reckless operation of a drone. After a short delay, the match continued.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wow.
MARSH: This is not the first time a drone has gotten too close to a major sporting event. In 2013, this drone hit a crowd of spectators during a running of the bulls event at the Virginia Motorsports Park.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It hit the dude in the face.
MARSH: And this drone disrupted a soccer match between Albania and Serbia.
The U.S. Open is just minutes away from LaGuardia Airport, one of the many airports around the nation that have seen a spike in close encounters between planes and drones.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at that guy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we were on the final runway, about 800, 900 feet was our altitude. 100 feet below us was a drone.
HORACE: What happens when someone puts an illegal substance on one of those drones, a powdery substance, a contaminate, or even, God help us, explosives?
MARSH: This latest drone scare another example of the challenge in keeping this technology out of restricted air space. (END VIDEOTAPE)
MARSH: While no one was injured in this latest incident, but there were -- there was a similar situation at Chase Stadium in 1979. A model aircraft plunged into the stands. One person was killed. And that's the worst-case scenario law enforcement trying to get a handle on this technology want to avoid -- Brianna.
KEILAR: All right, Rene Marsh, thanks for that report.
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