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Trump on Fiorina: "Look at that Face!"; Carson Takes Swipe at Trump; Email Apology Tour, Clinton's Long Road to "I'm Sorry."; Plane Fire, New Details Emerge as Many Unanswered Questions Remain; Refugee Crisis, Teen Girl's Horrifying Account of Violence; Murder or Suicide? Wife Faces Possible Fourth Trial After Second Acquittal; A Woman Won $20,000 from a Scratch-Off Ticket But With a Disappointing Reversal of Fortune. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired September 9, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:23] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening. 9:00 P.M. here in New York. We begin tonight with breaking news, and words like these, "Look at that face, would anyone vote for that?"
Donald Trump saying that and saying more about his republican rival, Carly Fiorina. The language coming to light this evening in a Rolling Stone piece that went live just moments ago. Joining us with the latest a CNN senior media correspondent and host of Reliable Sources, Brian Stelter, so what is Trump saying?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Trump is saying a lot but the most shocking comments and the most talked about comments in this long profile are about Carly Fiorina. He is watching a newscast with the Rolling Stone writer, that's when he talks about Carly in some detail of course, Carly the only female candidate in the republican race. So this is getting a lot of attention.
Here's part of what the quote says, so when the anchor tosses to Carly Fiorina for her reaction to Trump's momentum, Trump's expression sours and school boy disgust as the camera boars in our face. "Look at that face," he cries. "Would anybody vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president." The laughter grows hotly and faint behind him and then he continues. "I mean, she's a woman and I'm not a supposed to say a bad things but really folks, come on, are we serious." Obviously that line, "look at her face," you can almost hear him saying that if you've watched his press conferences, watched his rallies, we know the way Trump talks, you can hear him saying that. I did this -- check in with a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign. They're not commenting any further on these comments, but they're also not refuting the quotes. You sometimes wonder when you see a big magazine profile especially Rolling Stone...
STELTER: ... was someone -- some person, some taken out of context where they misquote him, but there's no indication of that right now. COOPER: It's also interesting that Trump would allow access to Rolling Stone given, you know, there'd been another Rolling Stone article most famous by Stanley McChrystal in general....
STELTER: That's right.
COOPER: ... which quoted a lot of things which were kind of said in a casual context which ended up getting him dismissed.
STELTER: Yeah, led to his downfall. In this case, you know, one of Trump's strategies it seems is to be as open as possible with the press to say yes to as many interviews as they can and in this case, Rolling Stone. This is actually arranged last month, there's a photo shoot, a cover shoot in his office here in New York. So it was something that was arranged by his campaign, part of a series of press availabilities Trump has been giving. It seems like he is always on the record, always available but sometimes as perhaps in this case, his quotes come back to haunt him. So far though, every time there's been this perceived gaffe.
COOPER: Right of course.
STELTER: Every time, we think he's stepped in it, it seems to only make him stronger, right.
COOPER: Right, we'll see what the reaction is to this one, Brian Selter, I appreciate it. Thanks very much.
Breaking news as well from the candidate who is running second to Donald Trump in many polls and now for the first time taking a swipe directly at him, Dr. Ben Carson quietly questioning Donald Trump's faith. It happened just before a rally in Southern California's conservative Orange County. Listen.
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BEN CARSON, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: By humility and the fear of the Lord, are riches, and honor and life. And that's a very big part of who I am. Humility and the fear of the Lord. I don't get that impression with him. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't get that impression.
Probably the biggest thing is that, you know, I realize where my success has come from. And I don't, in any way, deny my faith in God. And I think that probably is a big differentiator.
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COOPER: CNN Maeve Reston is covering Dr. Carson joins us now. So this comment, I mean, it's interesting because up until now, Trump and Carson have really refrained from saying anything negative about each other.
MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER: Right, and that have been so unusual this dynamic between them it was very sort of gentlemanly, pleasant back and forth. But Carson did a fascinating thing today by going after the authenticity of Donald Trump's faith. Really questioning whether he's a fake or not. And there were a lot of people here in this crowd who are looking to hear that kind of thing from him.
He was obviously here in Orange County in an area that brought out evangelicals, near Saddleback Church. And it's just a really interesting -- it would be really interesting to see whether or not this does in fact bring Donald Trump down in the polls because basically, Ben Carson was throwing down the gauntlet and saying this guy is not real, I am vote for me.
COOPER: Doing it in no doubt though in a kind of soft-spoken polite way as Dr. Carson often speaks. We haven't heard any response from the Trump campaign at this point. We're not sure if Donald Trump is now going to go after Dr. Carson as he has so many. But what's interesting also Maeve is, I mean explain the circumstances he was saying this. He wasn't saying this in a stump speech in front of the crowd he was actually going to be talking to. Was this from a direct question from a reporter and a Q&A before he went out on stage?
[21:05:07] RESTON: Correct, he -- this was right before a big rally that he did here in Anaheim. He was asked several times during a press conference, how he would differentiate himself from Donald Trump and he went directly into this faith answer and as we know, the debates are coming up next week. So he may have been kind of testing this language to see how it would play with voters, but it was a very direct hit and one that really could create some splintering in the race. You know, many of the voters who I talked to here today said that they would not consider Trump under any circumstances, that they were worried about him as a loose cannon in the oval office. And so we are perhaps starting to see the coalition, to the fissures here that could lead to creating a lane for other candidates potentially arise for Carson in the polls.
COOPPER; Maeve I appreciate your reporting, thank you. Joining us to talk about a CNN political commentator and GOP strategist Ana Navarro, she's a Jeb Bush supporter and close friend of Marco Rubio, also Ken Cuccinelli, president of the Senate Conservatives Fund and former attorney general of Virginia, and Matt Kibbe, senior adviser for Concerned American Voters and pro Rand Paul super pac.
Ana, what do you make of what Trump -- as personal reporter said about Carly Fiorina, nothing he said so far has really seemed to hurt him, is this any different?
ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well I think that his strategy, right? Every so many days he comes up with a new outrageous comment. Today, the comment du jour is about Carly Fiorina's face and that in turn leads to media attention that leads to controversy, it leads to headlines and lo and behold his numbers continuing going up. So, you know, just repeat the cycle over and over again. But frankly I got to tell you, Anderson, you know, as I was listening to this report, it's kind of sad the way things are going and the state of the GOP campaign right now. I mean, we are having, you know, attacks on face and faith. So your viewers don't get confused. Trump is accusing, you know, is attacking Fiorina's face and Carson is attacking Trump's faith. And, you know, come on, guys, where are the policy issues? Where is the meat? Where are the proposals? Where is the agenda? I think it's getting really tiring.
COOPER: Well Trump we should point just tweeted about Dr. Carson's wife and I'm going to read that tweet he said, "Wow, I'm ahead of the field with evangelicals, and I'm so proud of this and virtually every other group and Ben Carson just took a swipe at me. I can imagine there is more to come."
Ken, do you think that Trump should apologize? Do you think for the statement about Carly Fiorina, I mean is -- does it matter? Do you think for those who support Trump, they care?
KEN CUCCINELLI, PRESIDENT, SENATE CONSEVATIVES FUND: I think it does matter. It all -- to Ana's point, it'll play differently with different supporters. But this is -- there is a difference between this kind of a statement and his what some people view as brazen comments about immigration, you know, that's an important subject matter and frankly, Donald Trump drove a lot of attention to it earlier in this campaign. This is not a subject of debate by presidential candidates.
Carly Fiorina is a legitimate candidate in the race. This is a kind of a comment that really has no -- serves no constructive purpose and is - it's going to cause him problems as it probably should, you know, his schtick thus far has been to make everybody upset at some times over policy, some times over sort of his blustery approach to things. And that's -- those are both fine. I think those are both entirely within the boundaries, but this kind of a comment gets beyond that. I mean, he's much better in his lane attacking the establishment that's failing us and that really is driving a lot of his support than he is attacking other candidates on especially nonsubstantive things like this.
COOPER: Matt, I mean do you agree with that? You know the ground game very well, Republican Party needs to win over women voters. This isn't the first time Trump has said something that, you know, he's been called on as being insulting to women. How big a problem is this you think?
MATT KIBBE, SENIOR ADVISER, CONCERNED AMERICAN VOTERS: Well we'll see how things go, but I think this is very early in this race and the fact of the matter is we're now in part experiencing this new more decentralized political system where more candidates are going to be competitive. You're going to see the ups and downs, but I think Donald Trump's welcome wears out. He's got sort of that pop star status that helps before you get to really know who he is. And I think particularly with groups like the tea party, overtime they will discover that he's basically anti-tea party in the sense that he's all about himself, he's all about very strong executive, he's all about executive power. And the fact that he is smarter than everyone else and if you just give him that power, he'll take care of things.
NAVARRO: And, you know, Anderson, something that I think is very interesting is that, he's picking on Carly Fiorina and Carly Fiorina is going to be on the stage next week and she's proven to be a tough, tough cookie who can hit pretty hard. So I suspect she's going to look Donald Trump right into his face and say to him, "Really Donald? Really, you think you can criticize my looks?"
[21:10:17] COOPER: You know, Ken the fact on Ben Carson that he is questioning the authenticity of Donald Trump's faith, something Trump has -- you know, I mean his critics will say has spoken awkwardly about perhaps before, Trump will say I was having fun with the audience when I was speaking the values, you know, voter forum and I was talking about eating the little cracker and drinking my wine, he says he loves the Bible, that he goes to church. I mean, do you think, A, what Carson is saying has validity and do you think it will have an impact among particularly evangelicals, because Rick Perry full boar went after Donald Trump on issues of faith and it...
COOPER: ... whether it backfired, it certainly hasn't helped Rick Perry.
CUCCINELLI: Well, but let's face it, there is a significant portion of the republican electorate that takes the question of faith extremely seriously and they want to know that they have a president who gets up in the morning and prays to God for wisdom and for the strength to do this job. And Ben Carson as you noted in sort of his mild-mannered way has questioned that and whatever anybody thinks about why Dr. Carson did that or whether it was a good idea, it will jumpstart the discussion. I mean look at us, we're talking about it and now those voters are going to revisit that question.
Donald Trump shot back, you know, basically look at the scoreboard I'm winning evangelical voters, but it's September. And voters are still getting to know the candidates in this process and, you know, Dr. Carson is taking a risk by drawing that contrast, but he is also drawing the attention to it for voters for whom that's important and as we know in Iowa...
CUCCINELLI: ... and South Carolina that's very important.
COOPER: By a huge number of evangelicals will actually go out and caucus and in the...
COOPER: ... and, you know, on those cold winter nights. Matt, I mean do you think it's going to have an impact, because I remember reading Eric Eriksson in Red State after Trump made the comments about, you know, Holy Communion or the Eucharist, you know, however your faith describes it, and saying he's basically ridden off evangelical support and yet as Trump has tweeted, the polls show among evangelicals he is doing very well.
KIBBE: You know, I think sometimes this debate between whether or not Donald Trump is a conservative or whether or not he's liberal, is he flipflopping, is he changing his views, they sort of miss the fundamental nature of who he is. When he says certain things, it's a form of political arbitrage. He is testing his audience if his audience likes that he says more of it, if someone is standing up on the stage next to him says something nice about him, he likes them and that has nothing to do with his ideology.
I wouldn't question his faith, but I don't think he's like most republicans in the sense that there's a core set of values that define why they're running, what they're trying to accomplish, and I think that where's been overtime. When it happens, I think go back to what Ken was saying, it happens when people start taking the time to pay more attention or rational people right now have better things to do than pay attention to politics.
CUCCINELLI: ... if I can just comment on that.
CUCCINELLI: I think, you know, the Trump phenomena is -- especially among evangelicals and conservatives is very interesting because he doesn't -- he hasn't embraced conservative principles or positions.
CUCCINELLI: He has spoken awkwardly on issues of faith at best and yet, he is the frontrunner and he's the frontrunner because he is bashing the teeth in of the republican establishment and across every, I don't care how you divide up the republican electorate, however you slice it up, all sections of that electorate are upset with the utterly failed leadership we have right now from John Boehner in the House and the whole House leadership and Mitch McConnell and the leadership in the senate, which Senator Cruz commented not too long ago on the floor, the senate isn't much different, doesn't look much different than if Harry Reid were the leader and that's a response you're seeing, that's putting the wind in the sails of Donald Trump.
COOPER: OK, right. Hey Ken Cuccinelli, it's good to have you on, Matt Kibbe as well always good to see you, and Ana Navarro as well, thank you.
CUCCINELLI: Good to be with.
COOPER: One another keynote on the Rolling Stone piece that we've talking about, the reporter who wrote it has a lot more to say and he's going to say it tomorrow night right here on 360. I hope you join us for that.
Just ahead though tonight, another "I'm sorry" from Hillary Clinton and the long and winding road on what's being called her e-mail apology tour.
[21:18:22] COOPER: In a speech today, Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton backed her former boss' nuclear deal with Iran and said if she becomes president, she won't hesitate to take military action if Iran tries to obtain a nuclear weapon. There was one piece of her day. She also continued what are some are calling her apology tour on the Ellen DeGeneres Show in front of an audience outside New York's Rockefeller Center. Here's what she said when Ellen asked her about the e-mail controversy that she can't seem to shake?
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HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I used a personal e- mail account. It was allowed by the state department, but I should have used two different accounts. I made a mistake and I'm sorry for all the confusion that has ensued. I take responsibility for that, but I'm now trying to be as transparent as not just I can, but anybody ever has been.
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COOPER: Oh for weeks, Mrs. Clinton has refused to apologize for using a personal e-mail server while secretary of state, but with her poll numbers falling, she changed course in a major way yesterday. Here's Brianna Keilar.
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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hillary Clinton offered a full apology for the controversy surrounding her e-mail.
CLINTON: That was a mistake. I'm sorry about that. I take responsibility. And I'm trying to be as transparent as I possibly can.
KEILAR: She put it on Facebook as well, a mea culpa she has resisted for months since March when she first addressed her e-mails.
CLINTON: The server will remain private.
KEILAR: In July as more voters questioned her trust worthiness.
CLINTON: I can only tell you, Brianna, that this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many, many years.
KEILAR: And in August, even after turning her server wiped of e-mails over to the FBI.
[21:20:02] CLINTON: What like with a cloth or something, no. Nobody talks to me about it other than you guys.
KEILAR: Clinton edge closer to win apology last week, but didn't quite get there.
CLINTON: I am sorry that this has been confusing to people and has raised a lot of questions.
KEILAR: Then Tuesday, one day after telling the Associated Press she had no reason to apologize, she finally, finally did repeatedly admitting mistakes. CLINTON: I do think I could have and should have done a better job answering questions earlier. I really didn't perhaps appreciate the need to do that.
KEILAR: As Clinton tries to turn a corner, Secretary of State John Kerry just appointed career diplomat Janice Jacobs as transparency czar in part to oversee requests for Clinton's e-mails. In June of this year, Jacobs donated money to Clinton's campaign.
JOHN KIRBY, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN: We were not aware of the contribution but I would tell you Matt that it bears no relevance on her selection.
KEILAR: Part of Clinton's strategy to move past the controversy addressing other issues, like her support for the Iranian nuclear deal.
CLINTON: You remember President Reagan's line about the soviets? Trust but verify. My (inaudible) distrust and verify.
KEILAR: Even as she address a serious topic today, she had some lighter moments, laughing off a coughing fit as she delivered a political jab.
CLINTON: I'm suffering under massive allergy assault. Yes, republican histamines are everywhere.
KEILAR: Brianna Keilar, CNN Washington.
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COOPER: Let's look deeper with our panel tonight joining me now CNN Political Analyst David Gergen and Gloria Borger.
David, do you take this apology from Former Secretary Clinton at face value given that it came on the same day that, you know, a strategic makeover for her campaign was reported?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Anderson, I think she deserves credit for taking responsibility -- personal responsibility for the e-mails and stepping up to it finally. It took a long time. But, you know, for apologies to be effective, they need to be timely and they need to come from the heart. And this apology wasn't -- didn't meet one of those criteria.
You know, it took a long, long time to get there. They have a begrudging quality. But especially the second point you just mentioned, I just can't believe that her team did what they did to her and put out in the newspapers, you know, they're coming out, they're going to unveil the new Hillary.
GERGEN: You know, we reenter -- we've had -- that does not work. Here's the new authenticity. COOPER: Right. There's nothing worse than that, I mean, it totally the fights against. And, you know, David Axelrod who, you know, tweeted out, you know, just do it. Don't talk about being authentic, just be authentic.
GERGEN: Yeah. The political malpractice in my judgment would do that to her.
COOPER: Political malpractice? And you know David, I mean, the fact that the same day she apologized for using the private server to ABC News, she also gave an interview to Ellen in which she was said she was sorry not for using the private server but for all the confusion that's ensued which, I mean it's -- I don't know if it's splitting hairs, but it is kind of a non-apology apology.
GERGEN: Yeah, that's totally right, it is. And I think that there was people took offense at the notion, "I'm sorry for the confusion." I'm sorry -- you know, but look the bottom line, I think this is the first step. I think and I, you know, do think she deserves credit for doing it, but she's got a long we to go to win back the trust. And can she do it? Yes, but will they please stop trying to think in the back room how to reinvent her and just let her and to stop fiddling with her public persona. Let her be herself. This is a year when people crave authenticity.
COOPER: And Gloria, the irony of it is the people who interact with her closely and you know, I've talked to donors of hers or people have been at events who say, you know what, in a room she is terrific. She is very capable. She is really kind of wows a lot of audiences in small settings. And so you would think there must be some authenticity there, but it doesn't seem to translate necessarily on television.
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: You know, I think what happens to people who've been in politics a long time and Hillary Clinton has been in politics a long time. It happened with Mitt Romney, I would argue it also happened with Al Gore when he was candidate for president, is that they know what can go wrong if you make a mistake.
And so what happens is, they start self-censoring and they take all of the spontaneity out of themselves. And then their campaign aid start having campaigns that say let Hillary be Hillary or let Mitt be Mitt or let Al be Al, because the candidate is too worried about making a mistake.
And I think, you know, we've seen this with Hillary Clinton way back in 2008 when she first ran for the presidency. You remember she had a really hard time talking about her vote supporting the war in Iraq and saying it was a mistake.
[21:25:05] Finally, in her book that just she wrote before the campaign, she admitted it was a mistake and everybody said, "OK sure, yeah she admitted it was a mistake." But she had a hard time doing it at that time as well because when you are a candidate, you don't want to say oh, I did something wrong because she doesn't want to admit wrongdoing. So she's kind of all over the place and jokes about it or blames it on being confused.
GERGEN: Anderson, one other element I must say and I had a chance to see this up close back in the '90s. I think she's been very wounded and gone through a lot of pain in some of the earlier years with her public exposure. And when you do that, you're too afraid to touch the stove again, you know, you just don't want to go there. And the thought of it is difficult for her.
So I sympathize with that part of it but even so, if she is going to connect with people emotionally, which she is not doing yet in this campaign and she has the capability of doing that, she has to take off the cloaks and the masks and just be yourself, be Hillary. Let us see who she is. And I think things will get much better for her if she's willing to do that.
COOPER: David Gergen thank you, Gloria Bolger as well.
GERGEN: Thank you.
COOPER: Quick programming note, tomorrow night here on CNN, two big interviews. Donald Trump will be a guest on "New Day" actually at 7:00 a.m. Eastern and at 4:00 p.m. Eastern, Jeb Bush will talk with Jake Tapper of "The Lead."
Coming up tonight though, did a key safety item fail in the fire that nearly consumed this airliner in Las Vegas. We have latest details from the investigation perspective as well from two area, aviation professionals including someone who flies a plane just like this one when we continue.
[21:30:35] COOPER: There's early evidence tonight that could shed light on what caused this inferno. That and praise for the flight crew that managed to safely stop the burning British Airways Boeing 777 yesterday in Las Vegas. Kudos for the cabin crew as well from getting all 159 passengers out. Questions as well though about what led to all this as Flight 2276 began its takeoff roll.
According to the FAA, a fire in the left hand engine prompted the crew to abort the takeoff and take steps to snuff out the flames. Tonight, however, a source close to the investigation tells us the plane's fire suppression system didn't work. They want to know did it simply not function or did the fuel line rupture making the fire too big to contain.
Joining me now, CNN Safety Analyst Les Abend and working 777 Captain and CNN Safety Analyst and Former FAA Accident Investigator -- excuse me, David Soucie. So Les, I mean the system that helps put out the flames. How does it work exactly?
LES ABEND, 777 CAPTAIN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well it's a Halon system that's activated in the cockpit, Anderson. When we get a fire warning, we get an electronic fire bell. We get one of our instrumentation up front in the cockpit. This tells us that we have a fire. It lights up the fire handle. It lights up fuel control switch and then we activate that switch on our own.
We actually turn this fire handle. There are two separate bottles on a 777 and we turn it to either bottle it does not matter and it will electronically activate a squib which will discharge Halon into the engine. And this is all part of our checklist, very textbook procedural type stuff that we practice on every recurrent journey.
COOPER: David, I mean when you look at how big the fire was, in your mind, is it possible this could have actually been a fuel line rupture or something else?
DAVID SOUCIE, FORMER FAA ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR AND INSPECTOR: Well and looking at the damage on the airplane now, Anderson, and it's very interesting because the leading edge of the wing in board of the engine is severely damaged. And so that indicates to me is it wasn't just an engine failure, but then that's where all the fuel lines and everything go across into the engine area.
So this would explain possibly why the -- if the fire system that Les was just describing was deployed, why it wasn't able to extinguish the fire because it appears to me now that the fire was external to the (inaudible).
COOPER: There is though Les, I mean I heard this phrase the pilots use, stop the jet, stop the threat. There's a point during takeoff in which a plane really cannot stop, right. You just have to keep going up into the air.
ABEND: Correct. We focus on three separate speeds but let me focus on the one -- main one which is called V-1, which is the decision speed, in other words, that speed, if we make the decision to stop the airplane, stop the jet, stop the threat, at that point, if we have made that decision prior to reaching that speed, there should be enough runway at the weight we're at, at the temperature we're at, the altitude that we're at to stop the airplane.
In this particular case in Las Vegas, very hot that evening. It was 100 degrees when I looked at 7:00 in the evening and it's approximately 3,000 to 4,000 feet if I recall on the fuel elevation. So that's a lot of performance there. So the airplane should have came to a stop and as we saw, it did very well.
COOPER: David, I mean if this had happened when the plane was actually in the air, what would have happened then, I mean, how bad could this have been?
SOUCIE: We're --we would be looking at a very different scenario here for sure. That you know everyone survived. There were 20 or so injuries. All of them were released within a day. If this had happened in the air, we would be looking at a catastrophic failure of possibly the wing. If you look at this damage, it could have actually gotten into the leading edge of the wing and pass that into the wing spar. And if that fire continued, it certainly would have penetrated. It already melted the windows on that side of the aircraft, and if that had continued and been fueled by the fanning of the flames and oxygen, it could have been a very serious catastrophic failure of the whole airplane and the wings possibly.
COOPER: Scary stuff, I mean Les you see those passengers walking across the runway with their carry-on luggage. They're supposed to leave that on the plane. Aren't they, I mean walking with it must slow down the evacuation process, no?
ABEND: Well of course it does but, you know, this is human nature. People are going to grab their possessions.
ABEND: If flight attendants -- this is their job. Their job -- this is, you know, it's not to serve us coffee and, you know, scotch. This is their job to get us off of that airplane and they turn into totally different people when this has to happen.
[21:35:01] But that being said, you know, folks are just going to grab their stuff. But I do want to add Anderson to something that Dave said with the potential for a different scenario once airborne, what concerns me is that this looks to me like it might have been an uncontained engine fire. Meaning, stuff came out of it that shrapnel is what I understand from my magazine that I write for "Flying Magazine" indicated that shrapnel actually came out of it. And this is a design that should -- this design should not occur. All engines are designed to contain the material within that engine. So, that concerns me a little bit.
COOPER: Les Abend, good to have you on, David Soucio as well.
Coming up, how the Syrian refugee crisis is making a mark on one Turkish port town, plus a harrowing account of the violence the refugees are trying to escape.
COOPER: The Syrian refugees continue a desperate journey trying to find safety in Europe. There's so much smuggling happening in one Turkish port city that shop owners have started displaying life jackets in the store window. In Izmir, refugees are cramming on to rubber boats, paying smugglers $1300 to try to cross the Aegean Sea to islands in Greece.
[21:40:04] Meanwhile, a young woman, just 16 years old, is giving a harrowing account of just what so many are trying to leave behind in Syria. She's telling her story only to CNN. She was separated from her family enforced into slavery she says for ISIS leader Abu Bakr al- Baghdadi, his family as well as his friends. Her story is hard to listen to but we think important to hear. Atika Shubert reports.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In 2014, Kurdish Iraqi and U.S. troops rescued thousand of Yazidis in a dramatic airlift caught on CNN cameras. Thousands of others were captured. Yazidi women and children parceled out as slaves to ISIS fighters.
One year on, this young Yazidi girl tells CNN she was enslaved, not just by any ISIS fighter, this man, ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. She instantly recognizes Kayla Mueller, the young American aide worker killed in ISIS captivity. They shared a cell together she says, both slaves of the caliphate.
We sat down with Zeinat, an assumed name, at a safe location. She described how she was handpicked from among hundreds of captured Yazidi women.
ZEINAT, HELD CAPTIVE BY BAGHDADI: The first time he came, I was sitting and crying. He came close to me and called over the man who was in charge of the house. When I stood up, he looked at me and told the guard, take this girl away and put her to the side.
SHUBERT: Zeinat says she began work as a slave girl in the Baghdadi household cleaning up after and cooking for his three wives and six children. She was just 15. The family was constantly on the move. Just days after she arrived, Zeinat says an air strike destroyed the house next door. Eventually Zeinat tried to escape with another girl.
ZEINAT: They would lock us in and one night we got the key and unlocked the door. At this time, we were six girls. We ran and ran. After three kilometers, we saw a house just outside Aleppo in a village and there was an Arab woman. She said she would help us. But then she called Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
SHUBERT: They were punished she says, beaten with a belt, a garden hose and plank of wood dislocating her elbow. The last blows delivered by Baghdadi himself. What did he say to you when he hit you?
ZEINAT: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi told us we beat you because you ran away from us. We chose you to convert to our religion. We chose you. You belong to the Islamic State.
SHUBERT: Where did he hit you?
ZEINAT: (Foreign language).
SHUBERT: This is when she met Kayla she says locked in the same cell.
ZEINAT: The first time I entered the room, I saw Kayla. I asked, how did you come here? And she said, ISIS. They captured me and I told her I'm a Yaz girl from Sinjar and I was captured by the ISIS. After that, we stayed together and became like sisters.
SHUBERT: One day, she, Kayla and another Yazidi girl were moved to the home of a high ranking fighter by the name of Abu Sayaff. Shortly after she says Baghdadi came to visit. He called for Kayla. ZEINAT: When Kayla came back to us, we asked her, why are you crying? And Kayla told us, Baghdadi said I am going to marry you by force. You are going to be my wife. If you refuse, I will kill you. She was telling me everything. She wasn't hiding anything from me. Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi raped me, that's what she told me.
SHUBERT: How many times did this happen?
ZEINAT: Four times.
SHUBERT: Four times that you know. Did he ever rape you as well?
ZEINAT: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi told us, I did this to Kayla. What I did to Kayla, I will do to you.
SHUBERT: Zeinat and a younger girl plotted their escape.
ZEINAT: I told Kayla to escape with me, but Kayla refused. And she said if I escape, they will behead me.
SHUBERT: She said she waited until 1:00 a.m. and pushed open a broken window in their room. After a harrowing three hours she says they made it to a village. One man agreed to smuggle both girls out.
ZEINAT: At the time I didn't know it was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, but when I escaped I saw him on TV and I heard his voice. I could not have imagined it would be the leader of ISIS. I was so frightened. He could have killed me.
SHUBERT: There is no way for CNN to independently confirm Zeinat's story, but she says she has spoken to U.S investigators including details of Baghdadi's daily routine, how he woke up at 10:00 a.m., went to bed at midnight and had no phones for fear of being traced, relying on others to relay messages.
[21:45:09] What kind of a man was Baghdadi? Was he ever, ever kind to you?
ZEINAT: No, he was always evil. There were no kind words.
SHUBERT: She says she hopes some piece of information however small will lead to the downfall of the man who once called her his slave. Atika Shubert CNN.
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COOPER: Incredible that she was able to get away. Up next, a wife who's been tried three times for the same crime, murdering her husband, convicted once, acquitted twice and it's not over yet.
COOPER: Tonight, 360 follow, Ann Patton Bender has been acquitted for a second time in the death of her husband, a former Wall Street trader named John Bender. It may not be the final word though. Mrs. Bender has been prosecuted three times now in Costa Rica. At her second trial, she was found guilty of murder and sentenced to 22 years. She has always maintained her innocence and says her husband was suicidal prior to his death. And here's what she told Randi Kaye in 2013.
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ANN PATTON-BENDER, JOHN BENDER'S WIDOW: I did not shoot my husband.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And you can tell me right here and now, you did not kill John Bender.
[21:50:02] BENDER: I did not shoot. I tried to stop him.
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COOPER: John Bender died inside their dream house the couple built and where they lived as virtual hermits. Expats who both struggled with mental illness. Here's Randi Kaye with the latest.
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KAYE: This is where John Bender died, January 8th, 2010 in a home he shared with his wife Ann Patton Bender deep in the mountains of Costa Rica. An 80,000 square foot circular home in the rainforest called the Bender Dome.
BENDER: I don't know exactly what happened, but what I do know is I did not shoot my husband.
KAYE: Whether she did or she didn't is still up for debate, was it murder or suicide? We visited their home in Costa Rica in 2013 while Ann was awaiting her second murder trial. She'd already been acquitted once, but in Costa Rica, Ann can be tried over and over for the same crime. Ann insists John killed himself, telling me she woke in the dark to find her husband pointing a gun at his head.
BENDER: In the process of putting my hands around his, we fell towards each other and he had the gun loaded and cocked. I don't understand. We fell towards each other and the gun went off.
KAYE: A single gunshot to the back of John's head.
Prosecutors don't buy her story. They say Ann killed John during some sort of psychotic break. Ann is bipolar and John suffered from depression. Ann told us when her husband was feeling suicidal, they'd take part in what she called dress rehearsals.
BENDER: We would gather all the pills that were in the house and put them on the table. And he would ask me what do I do with these?
KAYE: Ann says in the months before he died, John sounded despondent, e-mailing her "I wish I were f-ing dead. I deserve to f-ing die." But before the second trial, the prosecutor told us he thought Ann's tale of suicide was impossible.
EDGAR RAMIREZ, PROSECUTOR: The only wound Mr. Bender has is located in the right occipital region shot like this. Experience tells us that when the person is going to commit suicide, they will shoot themselves in the center location specifically here, here, and here.
KAYE: Also, investigators never found any gunpowder residue on John's hands, only on Ann's hands though her lawyer says it wasn't a significant amount.
What did you tell police that night?
BENDER: What I remembered.
KAYE: Did you ever tell them I didn't shoot him? I didn't kill him?
BENDER: Yes, I said I didn't -- I said I launched for the gun and the gun went off.
KAYE: After she was acquitted at the first trial, Ann felt vindication and relief never imagining two more trials were ahead of her and now, maybe more.
You must have thought it was over.
BENDER: Yeah, I thought it was over.
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KAYE: Apparently, the judges deciding Ann's fate didn't think prosecutors proved their case and thought there was too much circumstantial evidence. So now, she's waiting on official word on whether or not she will be tried a fourth time for murder. If she is ever found guilty again and the verdict actually sticks, she could face 25 years in prison. Trouble is her health is failing. Her brother says she's down to about 90 pounds. She's free and living on her own. But Costa Rican authorities took her passport. So she can't leave the country or head back to the U.S. to get much-needed surgery she says she need on a blockage very close to her heart, Anderson.
COOPER: Well, Randi, thanks very much. We'll continue to follow that.
Coming up next, I'm going to make you smile at the end of day, the RidicuList is next.
[21:58:09] COOPER: Time now for the return of the RidicuList. It's been a while. Tonight, we have a tale illustrating the time-honored aphorism of the easy come, easy go. A woman named Ardella recently bought $2 scratch-off lottery ticket from a machine at a grocery store in Alexandria, Virginia and was thrilled when she found that she matched one of the numbers and won $20,000.
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ARDELLA NEWMAN: I saw that $20,000, you don't know how excited I was. I have a sister that's in Syracuse. She's very sick. I could help her with her medical bills.
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COOPER: So that's really sweet. She wants to use the money to help her sister, but (inaudible) was not to be because even though the ticket clearly shows that Ardella won $20,000, when she went to collect her winnings, lottery officials told her that instead of the $20,000 they would be giving her zero dollars. They said there was a mistake and the ticket was issued in error. I will let the reporter from our affiliate, WJLA explain the particulars, but let's just say I'm not sure I want to live in a world where you can't even trust your scratch-off tickets anymore.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is what a normal ticket is supposed to look like with the winning numbers at the top. This is the ticket that Newman bought with the winning numbers at the bottom suggesting the machine just cut the cards in the wrong spot.
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COOPER: Yikes. Just like that, like so much silver scratch-off dust blowing onto the winds of injustice. Ardella was denied her prize because the machine maybe cut the ticket in the wrong spot. What I would like to know is how that qualifies as Ardella's problem and not a Virginia lottery problem. And she would like to know that, as well.
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NEWMAN: I want the money that I thought I won. If you look at the ticket, it says I won this money. It want wasn't anything that I did wrong. It was what they did wrong.
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COOPER: I couldn't agree more. Totally team Ardella here, not since the Conner's won the lottery on Roseanne have I seen such a disappointing reversal of fortune. This seems like a no-brainer to me. Ardella bought the ticket, scratched off the thing, the thing said she won so give her the money.
Ardella has filed a complaint with the Virginia Lottery which is investigating. I can only hope they are sending out their top lottery detectives to collect evidence and dust for fingerprints or whatever one dust for. And that this is strictly resolved in Ardella's favor so she...