Return to Transcripts main page
A Seattle Judge Orders Stay on President Trump's Executive Order on Immigration; President Trump Criticizes Judge's Ruling on Immigration Executive Order; State Department Announces Previous Suspended Travel Visas Restored; Some Republicans Questioning White House Plan for Border Wall with Mexico; Group of Women Who Support Donald Trump Interviewed. Aired 10-11a ET
Aired February 4, 2017 - 10:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
[10:00:51] CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Always so grateful to have you on board with us. I'm Christi Paul.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Victor Blackwell. Top of the hour now. Welcome to the CNN Newsroom.
We begin with President Trump setting his sights on another federal judge, this time over a ruling that lifts the president's controversial travel ban, at least for now.
PAUL: The president this morning is calling the temporary stop to his order ridiculous. This is a ruling that came from Washington state. The attorney general there says, quote, "No one is above the law, not even the president."
BLACKWELL: As the Trump administration gears up for a legal fight, one airline executive tells CNN the government is in the process of reinstating those tens of thousands of previously revoked visas. But we do not know the status of that effort right now. Still, major airlines say they are allowing travelers who were previously caught up in the ban to now board those flights to the U.S.
PAUL: All this as protests are erupting not only in the United States but around the world. We want to show you some pictures here from demonstrations in London. Also you can tell there on the right hand side of your screen, that is Paris.
BLACKWELL: We are also expecting some anti-travel ban protests in major cities here in the U.S., what would be the third straight weekend of the Trump administration.
PAUL: The question is regarding this ruling out of Washington state, what does it mean? What comes next? We have a team of reporters and legal experts standing by to break it all down for us. We want to start in Washington with CNN's Ryan Nobles. He has new reaction from President Trump. Good to see you, Ryan. What are you hearing?
RYAN NOBLES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Christi, the reaction from the White House and President Trump in particular is pretty harsh, especially against this judge, James Robart, who issued this decision halting the executive order in Washington state. Take a look at what the president tweeted this morning. He's of course at what they're calling the southern White House, the winter White House in Mar-a- Lago. And this from this morning, "The opinion of the so-called judge which essentially takes law enforcement away from our country is ridiculous and will be overturned."
This is something a sitting president of the United States openly questioning the legitimacy of a sitting federal court judge, and this is of course the second time Donald Trump has done something like this. He did something similar during the campaign when he attacked a federal judge ruling on a case that was involving his private life.
Now, this judge was appointed by George W. Bush in 2003. He was confirmed by the Senate 99 to nothing. So he is certainly a legitimate federal judge. And this also comes in the wake of a new CNN poll that asked American what they think about this executive order that was put in place by the Trump administration, and 53 percent of Americans say that they are opposed to it, 47 say that they approve.
No doubt they'll be impact of this halting of the executive order is immediate. Airlines around the country have been told by Customs and Border Protection that they can begin allowing people on planes and issuing visas from these seven Muslim majority countries. The attorney general in Washington state who argued the case said that that is exactly what the federal government should do, start to immediately respond to this judge's order. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BOB FERGUSON, WASHINGTON ATTORNEY GENERAL: This decision shuts down the executive order immediately, shuts it down. So for all those individuals, that relief is there. Folks can travel to this country as they could before the executive order. That relief is immediate. It has happened right now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
NOBLES: But this is just the start of a lengthy legal battle over this executive order, and the White House has no plan toss back down. This is what press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement last night. "At the earliest possible time the Department of Justice plans to file an emergency stay of this order and defend the executive order of the president which we believe is lawful and appropriate. The president's order is intended to protect the homeland and he has the constitutional authority and responsibility to protect the American people."
So what comes next? We are awaiting that response from the Department of Justice. They are going to attempt to try and get a stay from this emergency order that was put in place last night lifting the ban. And then that will ultimately begin a lengthy court battle over the constitutionality of this executive order. That could take some time. Christi and Victor, it could ultimately be decided by the United States Supreme Court. [10:05:07] PAUL: Ryan Nobles, we appreciate it so much, thank you.
NOBLES: Thank you.
BLACKWELL: Let's now go to CNN's Rene Marsh for how government agencies are responding. And the reporting, Rene, your reporting is that they are trying to get back to business as usual. But that may take some time.
RENE MARSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It may. But I spoke with a few airline officials this morning, and they are operating as things were before this executive order. So these airlines, they are allowing individuals who before this executive order were allowed to travel to the U.S. They are now allowing them to do the same.
I just saw a tweet on Twitter by an immigration attorney flagged by one of our producers here who says, quote, "At O'Hare airport, Customs and Border Protection is enforcing the latest court order and they are opening it to passengers with all visas and green cards." So they are letting individuals with visas and green cards through at O'Hare according to this attorney.
But let's go back a couple of steps, back to last night at 9:00. After that ruling in Seattle, I am told by a source that customs and border protection held a conference call with airlines, all of the major us airlines informing them that they were going back to, quote, "business as usual" before the executive order. They also told the airlines that they were in that process of reinstating visas for all of those individuals, as you said, Victor, tens of thousands of individuals who had their visas revoked.
It's unclear at this point how long that process will take. But if you look at just this tweet from this one attorney, it appears that already this morning there are individuals who do have visas and green cards, and they are being allowed to go through, at least according to this tweet at O'Hare. Although all of this is going on, important to point out, we still do not have an official comment from Customs and Border Protection on all of this.
BLACKWELL: Still waiting for that, among many things. Rene Marsh in Washington, thanks so much.
PAUL: CNN legal analyst, Joey Jackson, with us here. Joey, I want to touch on something real quickly that Ryan Nobles pointed out, this tweet from Donald Trump. I want to read it back to you. "The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned." Two things. One, does it take law enforcement away from our country. And, two, what might be the repercussion of a president calling a federal judge a "so-called judge." This is a judge who was appointed in 2003 by George W. Bush. He was confirmed unanimously by the Senate in 2004.
JOEY JACKSON, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Good morning, Christi. OK, so ultimately, what happens is this, we have to keep in mind that we have coequal branches of government. Now, the president is of the opinion that this is something that's appropriate, something that protects national security. But you have tensions in the law because there are many who feel differently, that it's a broad based measure where you are trying to kill an ant with a hammer, and a sledge hammer at that.
And so irrespective of what the president's assessment might be about the federal judges, we have to remember that these co-equal branches of government each has a role. The president wants to enforce the law. But in enforcing the law that law has to be constitutional. Hence, we turn to the judicial branch of government. And the judicial branch makes the assessment of whether a law carries muster.
According to this judge, there was a lawsuit filed by these two states, Washington and Minnesota. And there was the initial reaction from the federal government that, listen, only those two states then should be affected by the lifting of the ban. That judge says, no. Immigration has to be of national import. The policy has to apply to all. I'm going to do it throughout the country.
And so the reality as we have it here, Christi, is that we have a co- equal branch of government in the Supreme Court and the courts that emanate from that, this district federal court, saying that they believe -- remember what an injunction does. It says there is likelihood of success on the merits. What are the merits? That the ban is unconstitutional. So what this judge is opining is for all on a variety of reasons, the restriction of travel, the implications on families, on family businesses, on family ties, on economics, on education, that ultimately the law will be overturned.
And so the president, the remedy of the president, in addition to having whatever opinions, "ridiculous federal courts, so called federal judge," the remedy is to go to the next level. And that is you have your district court, then you have your appellate circuit court, and ultimately it could end up in the Supreme Court which dictates what the policy is going to be, period. And so that's I think where we are going to see this go.
PAUL: Do you think this will end up in the Supreme Court?
[10:10:00] JACKSON: I think because you may have splits. There are those who feel strongly, the president and the administration, that this is a measure that's designed to protect national security. There are those that say that, you know what, it's an overreach. Of course we want national security protection but we want national security protection that is narrow and that's defined and that addresses a specific threat and doesn't categorize and ban an entire group of people. That's where you have the constitutional issues.
PAUL: Let me ask you this. Based on what you see of this travel ban as it stands now, is it unconstitutional?
JACKSON: I think there are significant issues that relate and involve, really deal with the travel ban for a number of reasons. You look at the restrictions on travel. Although it is not specifically enumerated in the constitution, it's something that really applies. We have a right to travel.
You look at the Immigration Nationalization Act, which essentially says that, you know what, a person, a refugee, they have a right to apply for asylum. You look at international law as it relates to the convention against torture where you can't send someone back to a country where they are being tortured. You look at the equal protection clause that says that everyone should be treated equally.
And so there are these issues that will be flushed out, unfortunately not by me and you, but by the courts of law. But there are serious constitutional questions. And at least now this federal judge believes that they have merit and as a result is putting everything at the status quo. And that's why we have coequal branches of government in this state. We have an elected president, but we have one that is checked and balanced by the legislature that is Congress. In the case, you are seeing them checked and balanced by a federal judge.
PAUL: And Joey, real quickly, speaking of that federal judge again, due have any concerns about the president tweeting that he is a "so- called judge" when he was appointed by George W. Bush and confirmed unanimously by the Senate.
JACKSON: Of course, you have concerns. But that just is a matter of respect. You have the president and, of course, there are going to be disagreements with them. Someone might say your "so-called president." And then you say your "so-called Supreme Court judge" or "so-called district judge," "so-called congressional leaders." The fact is that tempers flare because there's a political component in this. The president wants national security, border security. And there is a thought this is an overreach. It's far too broad and it implies and implicates too many people and disrupts too many lies. And so I think you are going to see rhetoric, Christi, that is very inflammatory in the days moving forward. But notwithstanding the rhetoric, notwithstanding what the president calls anyone or anyone calls the president, this will be resolved in a court of law. And I think there are significant constitutional limitations or certainly constitutional questions that I think you are going to see play out as litigation as this case moves through, again, appellate courts, which are the circuit court, and potentially the Supreme Court of the United States where it could very well be resolved.
PAUL: Joey, you pack a lot of stuff in there. I'm going to give you a chance to take a breather, here. Thank you so much, friend.
JACKSON: Thank you, Christie.
PAUL: Thank you.
BLACKWELL: You can hear the chanting there, the protests. This is London. Right now people are marching to Downing Street where they are going to protest President Trump's immigration ban. We are going to have more of a live look for you in just a moment.
[10:16:34] BLACKWELL: Despite the temporary blocking of the president's immigration ban, we are seeing a global, an international outcry. PAUL: We're seeing some demonstrations this morning out of London,
out of Paris. I want to show you some of the pictures we are getting in this hour of those protesters. Several more we understand expected today right here in the U.S. Joining us live from London right now, CNN correspondent Diana Magnay. Diana, what are you seeing and what are you hearing today?
DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I am standing now outside Downing Street at the tail end of this protest. I will just show you some of the banners that have been left for Theresa May. "Teresa the appeaser," and "Trump making America hate again," just some of the banners that people have had. One of my favorites today is "White Lies Matter," obviously a reference to Donald Trump and Kellyanne Conway's alternative facts.
But here we have the last few protesters. This wasn't as big as the demonstrations that we have seen in London before in the last couple of weeks. But people still very angry at what they see as a divisive politics of hatred and their fear that kind of rhetoric is now being normalized. Let's just play what some people said to be a little earlier when there were rather a few more people out.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have so much in common. And it is a disgrace and it is so sad these people are in power. I think it is so powerful that we all are standing here today.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think Donald Trump represents a really dangerous shift, and I think coupled with Brexit.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think London is showing exactly where it stands on Trump.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MAGNAY: I think it is interesting you mentioned there were other protests in Europe. But actually in Paris today, there were only a few hundred people out, whereas here in London these demonstrations have been really quite big the last three times, 30,000 people here outside Downing Street earlier this week, and today quite a few thousand.
Again, a lot of that has to do with Brexit, with the fact that Theresa May has already gone and cozied up to Donald Trump in the eyes of demonstrators here, and a desire, really, to make clear to the British prime minister that her idea of a hard Brexit where immigration takes priority over the economy is also distasteful so the people out today. Back to you.
PAUL: Diana Magnay, thank you so much for bringing us a sense of what's happening there. We appreciate that.
Ahead, as we're learning about what's happening this morning from Judge James Robart as he has reversed the president's temporary ban and it is on hold, the question is, where does the White House go from here? We are going to have that political analysis discussion in just a moment.
[10:23:09] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is CNN breaking news.
PAUL: Getting some breaking news this hour from the State Department.
BLACKWELL: This is just a few minutes old. Let's go now to Ryan Nobles in Washington. Ryan, what are you learning?
NOBLES: Christi and Victor, we are learning from a State Department official that the department has officially reversed the cancellation of those visas that were revoked following the Trump executive order on travel from those seven Muslim majority countries. The State Department said on Friday that that impacted some 60,000 people who had visas at that time. Those visas were effectively canceled the minute the executive order went into place.
But now with this new emergency situation that took place in Washington state last night, now these visas are once again legitimate and legal. However, there is a bit of a wrinkle to this situation. If you had your visa physically revoked, so if you were attempting to travel here to the United States from one of those countries and your visa was stamped and declared to be ineligible, those visas will likely have to be reapplied for.
So if you had the visa but there was no action taken on it, that visa is once again good. However, there is a significant group of travelers who had those visas physically revoked. So this is a pretty significant development. As we said, it could impact somewhere in the range of 60,000 people whose visas were revoked in the wake of the Trump executive order. So this is just one stage of the next phase of the implementation of this order that went in place last night.
And of course, keep in mind, Christi and Victor, that there is a good chance that this will face another legal challenge. We don't know what the outcome of that legal challenge will be. So this at the moment, could be just a temporary situation as this plays out in federal courts across the country.
[10:25:02] PAUL: It is very fluid, no doubt about it. And we are still waiting to see exactly what the White House will do with all of it. Thank you so much, Ryan Nobles.
NOBLES: Thank you.
BLACKWELL: Let's bring in Rebecca Berg, CNN political analyst and national politics reporter for Real Clear Politics, and Ron Brownstein, CNN senior political analyst and senior editor for "The Atlantic." And Ron, I want to start with you with this breaking news. What do you make of, despite all the tough tweets from the president and the tough statement out of the White House, that we are seeing this from the State Department reversing the cancellation of these 60,000 or so visas and still no appeal filed from the federal government?
RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, the agencies are following the law, which is what you would expect agencies to do.
I think to understand what's happening here, I think it is really important for people to recognize that what we are seeing is Democratic states using against Donald Trump a weapon that was forged by Republican states to use against President Obama. Under President Obama, we saw a new pattern from every Republican attorneys general from literally virtually every Republican controlled state repeatedly going into federal court to sue him on his initiatives, on the Medicaid expansion, on the clean power plant to deal with climate change, and most directly relevant here, on his efforts to expand legal protection not only to the Dreamers but to adults who were here and undocumented adults who are here who had children that are legal U.S. citizens. That was the exact, I think the exact parallel to what's happening here because what happened there was a single federal judge in Texas, Andrew Hanen, overturned the policy on a nationwide basis. The appeal went through the conservative fifth circuit which upheld it and then went to the Supreme Court, which did not act, and thus the policy was blocked through the remainder of his presidency.
It was specifically that decision that the judge in Seattle last night cited for arguing that this should be applied nationwide, that you needed nationwide uniformity in the application of immigration laws. And President Trump is in the same difficult position because the next court that will hear this would be the ninth circuit court of appeals which has the most Democratic tilt I believe of any of the circuits, about two to one Democratic appointees. And at the end of that line you now have a divided four-four Supreme Court. So he is in the same difficult position that President Obama was in when Republican states chose a conservative pathway in the courts to challenge his initiatives.
BLACKWELL: To have this heard, Rebecca, at the appellate level there in the ninth circuit, we have got to have this appeal filed by the Department of Justice, by the federal government. I want you to listen to part of my conversation with Republican Congressman Charlie Dent this morning about that likely appeal from the government.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. CHARLIE DENT, (R) PENNSYLVANIA: I am not sure what the legal strategy is, and I'm not here to say that this order is unconstitutional. I simply don't know that. The president has a lot of authorities in this area. I would prefer that they not appeal and go back to the drawing board on this because it seemed to me the policy wasn't properly vetted to begin with. The departments of defense, state, homeland security, and justice in my view were not properly and adequately consulted.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLACKWELL: And we've heard similar comments from other Republicans in Congress. What's the degree of support that the president will have from Republican members of Congress as he files or as the DOJ files this appeal?
REBECCA BERG, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Actually, I think he would have quite a bit of support, because if you look at the CNN/ORC poll that came out just yesterday that measures support among Republicans and Democrats nationwide for this executive action by the president, 88 percent of Republicans in that poll said they do support it and thought that it would make the country safer. And so Republicans in Congress are going to be responding to those constituents and their concerns or lack thereof.
And so if Republican nationwide, Republican voters are overall supporting this measure, then I think we are going to continue to see Republicans in Congress also supporting this measure and supporting the president. But I would expect that we will also continue to hear from Republicans, as we have been, that the administration should look at narrowing this executive order, making it a little more targeted. And certainly I think most Republicans would agree they should have done that on the front end instead of stirring up all this controversy, instead of having to go through the legal process. But, of course, we can see 20/20 into the past. But now we're looking at this on a forward looking basis.
BLACKWELL: The CNN/ORC poll has that 53 percent of respondents oppose the ban overall, 47 percent support it.
But let me go to the number right after that -- 55 percent of the respondents believe that the executive order is an attempt to ban Muslims from entering the U.S., 44 percent do not. The importance of that number, Ron?
BROWNSTEIN: Yes. If you look at every key measure in that poll, the Donald Trump approval, approval of the executive order, is the order a Muslim ban, from that matter building a wall in Mexico, what you see is quantification of what I believe is the key political dynamic of this presidency, which is accelerating, widening, and intensifying all of the political divides in the country.
[10:30:01] As Rebecca said, there is a lot of support for what Donald Trump is doing among partisan Republicans and among non-college whites who are the core of his constituency. And most non-college whites, for example, said they did not view this as a Muslim ban.
But if you look at three other constituencies that are all growing as a share of the electorate, college educated white voters, millennials, and minorities, you see overwhelming opposition to the ban, overwhelming opposition to the wall. Most of them view it is a Muslim ban. And Donald Trump has very low approval ratings.
And I think one real point of leverage, the one crack I agree with Rebecca that most Republicans are going to stick with him. But if you look, there are a number of Republicans in white collar districts, in districts with a lot of college educated white voters. And those Republicans I think may get a little more uneasy because you are seeing 60 percent, for example, of college educated whites in your poll say they oppose the executive order. Donald Trump's disapproval rating among college educated whites, nearly 60 percent. There are 23 Republicans in the House are in districts that Hillary Clinton carried, 18 of those districts have more than the national share of college educated whites. I think it those white-collar suburban Republicans who may get the most uneasy about the direction the Trump administration is pursuing.
BLACKWELL: Rebecca, this is the third weekend of the Trump administration, also the third weekend of these massive rallies and protests not only in the U.S. but across the globe. This is the president who we know from the campaign who is fond of polls. Maybe he has a love/hate relationship with polls. What's the impact of what we are seeing across the globe in response to these Trump policies?
BERG: Certainly it does reflect his low approval at this point. The CNN/ORC poll that we have been talking about found him to have mid-40s approval at this point which is historically low for a new president, and so I think we're seeing that reflected in these protests.
But I would agree with Ron that when we are talking about increasing partisan polarization at this moment, I think these protests actually sort of accelerate that when you look at the Republican response. Republicans, as we are seeing in polling, are digging and continuing to back the president. But Democrats at the same time who oppose him are emboldened to oppose him more aggressively. And so I think this really is a time of growing partisan polarization. That's sort of exactly what Donald Trump wants. He has been able to use this during the campaign and in the beginning of his presidency. And I think we will continue to see him trying to take advantage of those divisions in the country.
BLACKWELL: We have heard from the president on Twitter. We know that the vice president will be at the Federalist Society today. This is a group that espouses judges implementing and interpreting the laws and not mitigating them. So we'll see if this comes up in his remarks today. Ron Brownstein, Rebecca Berg, thanks so much.
PAUL: To springboard off this conversation even more, there are a growing number of Republicans stepping out of line with the president on one other issue in particular, that border wall with Mexico. We will tell you what we are learning.
[10:36:10] PAUL: Some breaking news from the Department of Homeland Security. It seems that they are, and I'm quoting here a statement that they just released, "In accordance with the judge's ruling," being the judge in Washington state, "The DHS has suspended any and all actions implementing the affected sections of the executive order entitled Protecting the Nation and Foreign Terrorists Entry into the United States." In other words --
BLACKWELL: So what's happening here is that after the judge's ruling in Washington state from James Robart overnight putting a temporary halt to the president's immigration ban, these are the departments that were required to implement that ban, and they are now saying that they will comply with what the judge has ordered. And that of course is until potentially the next shoe falls here, which will be the filing of the appeal from the Department of Justice to overturn what the judge found last night.
But that has not yet happened. But until then, we know that these departments, the Department of Homeland Security, we just heard from the State Department about five minutes ago that they will comply with the finding of this judge in Washington state, which is nationwide.
PAUL: I believe Ryan nobles is in Washington and may have more for us here. Ryan, talk to us about what you are learning right there.
NOBLES: Christi and Victor, a bit of what you guys are alluding to there, basically this is all the agencies of the federal government lining up and responding to this decision by the judge in Washington effectively suspending the Trump executive order on travel from those seven Muslim majority countries.
As you mentioned, we heard from the State Department not too long ago. Now, it is the Department of Homeland Security. They said basically in a statement that they have suspended all actions that they were taking to implement the executive order on banning travel from citizens from those seven Muslim majority nations into the United States, and the suspension of the refugee admittance program for 120 days.
Now, the DHS statement does go even further, though, because they specifically point out that the Trump administration plans to file an appeal to this stay asking for an emergency order basically undoing this order that was put in place by the judge in Washington state, and that the leaders of DHS still believe in the policy, they still believe this is something that ultimately will keep Americans safe. So they seem prepared that if there is another court decision that then puts the executive order back in place to resume what they were doing in this extreme vetting program, as the president has called it many times.
But I think it is important to point out here, Christi and Victor, that while the president himself has tweeted this morning somewhat calling into question the legitimacy of this judge and his decisions, his agencies which do work at his pleasure and put his policies into place, are certainly respecting what this judge had to say and they are halting this executive order and no longer putting into place.
But again, as we said many times this morning, this is just beginning of a lengthy court battle. At this stage, the executive order is not in place, but we could have a judge rule within a week after the DOJ files their appeals to this order that could reverse everything. So this could be the beginning of a back and forth that we could be dealing with for some time.
PAUL: The White House has vowed to appeal. So we're just waiting to see if we're going to hear from them today as well or not. Ryan Nobles, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
We will be right back.
[10:43:13] PAUL: The question of the travel ban and the executive order that came with it from Donald Trump, President Trump, is all in question this morning. The president slamming a federal judge's ruling that puts a temporary stop on that immigration order nationwide. This is coming from a federal judge.
The Trump administration vowing to mount a legal challenge to that ruling that came from Judge James Robart. The president tweeting just a short time ago, quote, "The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned," he said. That's a quote.
As a result of this ruling, the State Department has reversed the visas that were canceled following last week's orders. So those visas that were revoked, some 60,000 of them we believe are now intact as we hear from the State Department. And on top of that just moments ago, the Department of Homeland Security saying that they are suspending all actions it was taking in implementing the president's travel ban.
But again, we are going to keep you posted on this. It has been a very fluid situation this morning. I want to take you to CNN's Rachel Crane at JFK airport, because what this means is that there are many airlines. We have Air France, we have Lufthansa, we have Qatar who have all said they are going to allow passengers who were not able to get on planes last weekend and this week back on those planes, all of this seeming to support opening that up. Rachel, at JFK, what are you seeing there this morning?
RACHEL CRANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the State Department reinstating these visas and also the Department of Homeland Security just issuing that statement saying they will, in fact, comply with this new ruling. Good news for travelers traveling from those seven countries involved in this travel ban.
[10:45:02] Now, it hasn't even been 24 hours since this new ruling, and it is, I want to point out, pretty calm here at JFK. It is a far cry from that scene that we saw this weekend with over 1,000 protesters here and family members waiting for their loved ones who were detained for over it 24 hours.
There are still lawyers stationed here at JFK. We just spoke with one of them who said that she is trying to get two of her clients from Iraq into the U.S. on Monday as a result of this new ruling. Also advocacy groups urging people impacted by this travel ban to take advantage of this moment before the Department of Justice issues their appeal.
Now, as we pointed out, relatively calm here at JFK. But we know that protests are happening all across the country in London and Paris and a massive protest scheduled for today in New York City. Christi, Victor?
PAUL: We'll be watching for that. Rachel Crane, thank you.
BLACKWELL: Some Republicans in Congress are splitting with the president over his plan to build a border wall along the southern border with Mexico. It's not because they disagree with the idea of securing the border. It's because they really don't agree with how it is going to be funded, how the country is going to pay for it.
Some, like GOP senators John McCain and Lisa Murkowski, say they need to see spending cuts that offset the costs of the wall. Any dollars spent on the wall has to be cut from other spending programs. House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell agree the plan should cost about $12 billion to $15 billion. The Trump administration says it is working on a supplemental funding package to pay for the physical barrier and other national security measures.
That could hit a rhetorical wall, let's say, in New Mexico if a bill that would block use of a stretch of land along the border passes and is signed by that Republican governor. Let's bring in now, excuse me, New Mexico State Representative Javier Martinez. Representative, good morning to you.
JAVIER MARTINEZ, (D) NEW MEXICO STATE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: Good morning. Thanks for having me.
BLACKWELL: So as I understand this bill, it is to block any use, any transfer, any sale of about 22 miles along the New Mexico border to the federal government for use for this wall. What's the viability of your bill? Or is this just a message to the president?
MARTINEZ: No, it is not just a message. This is bill very viable. House Bill 292 will be heard in committee here in the next few days, and it tells the federal government that we will not sell or transfer our land for the purpose of building this expensive and highly impractical wall.
BLACKWELL: You have a Democratic House there New Mexico, Democratic Senate, but you have a Republican governor in Susana Martinez. What's your degree of confidence that if this passes through the state legislature, you will get her signature?
MARTINEZ: The governor actually is originally from Las Cruces. And it has been her administration and her legislature that has invested millions of dollars in expanding border trade. So I am confident that she will see the importance of our own economic recovery and the importance of increasing trade with Mexico. Over the last few years we have increased trade to almost $2 billion. And building this wall is not only impractical but it will also deeply impact in a very negative way that increasing trade with our southern neighbor.
BLACKWELL: So what do you say to those constituents who say and voted for President Trump specifically or at least primarily on the issue of securing the border, and they want that wall to go completely across the border of New Mexico, and they see you as an impediment to that?
MARTINEZ: Well, look, the border is as seek cure a secure as it has ever been. President Obama really went out of his way, much to my own frustration, to militarizing the border and really making sure we get more manpower down there.
Building a wall is not a solution to the immigration problem. The immigration problem needs to be resolved by congress. They need to do their job. We need comprehensive immigration reform so that people who want to come here and study and work can do so illegally. Building a wall will do nothing to curb illegal immigration or illegal drug trade. BLACKWELL: So when you hear from Senator John McCain who represents
Arizona that, as he told our Manu Raju, that it is not a viable estimation that Mexico will reimburse the U.S. for the $12 billion to $15 billion estimated to build the wall, and you hear other Republicans now saying that they won't support a spending bill unless it is offset, that money is saved somewhere else, does that give you confidence that this will be blocked despite how much of a central part of the Trump campaign this wall promise was?
MARTINEZ: It does give me a lot of confidence. I think this idea of a wall is ill-conceived. It's impractical and it's expensive.
[10:50:03] Mexico is not going to pay for it. Ultimately if that wall is built, it will be paid for by our tax dollars and our tax payers. And look, we have so many needs in this country from Medicaid to the ACA and public education to infrastructure that building a wall does nothing to advance the interests of our country. And I think that the people of New Mexico and the people of this country see right through that.
BLACKWELL: All right, New Mexico State Representative Javier Martinez, thanks so much for being with us on NEW DAY.
MARTINEZ: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
BLACKWELL: Thank you.
PAUL: A group of Arizona women reveal why they love President Trump and believe he will be a unifying force for this country.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People really dislike him. I don't understand it, because I love him. I love who he is. I love his transparency.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLACKWELL: Fast-moving story here in the developing breaking news on this executive order. President Trump now slamming a federal judge's ruling that puts a temporary stop on his immigration order, and that's nationwide. Now, the Trump administration is vowing to mount the legal challenge to a ruling from Judge James Robart. The president tweeting this just a short time ago, "The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned."
[10:55:03] PAUL: Now, as a result of that mandate from the judge, the State Department has reversed the visas that were canceled following last week's order. Remember, since that signing of the order, the State Department says fewer than 60,000 visas were revoked, again, those being reinstated. And now the Department of Homeland Security saying they are suspending all actions it was taking in the implementation of Trump's travel ban. We are now this morning waiting to see when we will hear from the Department of Justice and the White House, again, who has vowed to appeal this.
BLACKWELL: The latest CNN/ORC poll shows that at this point in his presidency, President Trump has the worst showing in the history of that poll going back to Eisenhower. But for some women in Arizona, the president has done a very good job in the last couple of weeks.
PAUL: They support his cabinet nominations, the executive orders, and the overall candor of the president. Despite the country's differences, they believe that President Trump can bring the nation together. CNN's Martin Savidge sat down with all of them.
BROOKE STECK, TRUMP VOTER: I was so elated I could hardly stand it. It was like the best early Christmas present I could have gotten.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: These Arizona women love everything about President Donald Trump and can't understand if you don't.
ROSALIE WRIGHT, TRUMP VOTER: If anybody is against anything he said he is going to do, I really worry about their judgment.
SAVIDGE: Has he made any slip-ups, blunders, any mistakes in your mind?
STECK: Not at this point for me.
SAVIDGE: The people he is surrounding himself with?
STECK: Great, incredible people, just incredible people.
SAVIDGE: But some wonder, is he moving too fast?
STECK: No. He is going to move forward quickly because he is going to do exactly what he said he was going to doing. I don't think he is moving fast at all. I say, keep on going.
SAVIDGE: They see nothing wrong with the president but plenty wrong with everyone else, beginning with Democratic opposition in Congress.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I think that's a terrible thing that the left is doing to hold things up, and it's so purposeful.
SAVIDGE: Doesn't that sound so much like what the Republicans were doing during the Obama administration?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. They showed up.
SAVIDGE: How is it different?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is exactly right. They showed up. These people are actually not showing up for the vote.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People really dislike him. I don't understand it, because I love him. I love who he is. I love his transparency. SAVIDGE: Speaking of transparency, what about the tweeting? Should
that have stopped or should he control it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know what it does. It leaves you out.
SAVIDGE: The "you" Eileen is referring to is the mainstream media, which the group blames for what they see as a nonstop barrage of negative news about the president.
WRIGHT: And you push and you push and you push and you don't back off. And, frankly, I'm fed up with it.
SAVIDGE: It is not the only thing these Trump voters are fed up with. They are also sick of the demonstrators who they say can't accept that Hillary Clinton lost.
STECK: Get over it. Move on. Let the man get to work and better our country. Stop with the protests.
SAVIDGE: Speaking of moving on, what's with Trump's seeming fixation on the inauguration crowd size?
Why does he bother?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it is fair for him to defend himself.
SAVIDGE: And what about the president's claim of widespread voter fraud for which he has offered no proof and officials say didn't happen?
Do you believe President Trump when he says there were several million votes cast illegally?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And I'm really glad that he is checking that system out, just like he is checking out the immigration problem.
SAVIDGE: Trump's immigration executive order is another issue these supporters see differently, seeing the move not as discriminatory but rather about safety for Americans.
STECK: As a mother of four kids, I feel that it is the right of my children to grow up in a country where they feel safe.
SAVIDGE: What about refugee children who are now banned from reaching the safety of America?
WRIGHT: We lead with our emotions, this country is sunk. You can't lead where your emotions.
SAVIDGE: It's not all doom and gloom. Despite the differences they see, these women believe we can unite as a nation under President Trump. In fact, they say, we already did for a brief period, inauguration day. BONNIE HAYMORE, TRUMP VOTER: It was just touching and it was a
wonderful two or three hours. Everybody was kind of like, yes, this is a transfer of power, peaceful. This is how America is.
PAUL: Thank you, of course, for CNN's Martin Savidge reporting there.
Thank you as well for spending some time with us. We hope you make good memories today.
BLACKWELL: There is a lot more on the breaking news this morning in the next hour of CNN Newsroom. Boris Sanchez in today, starts right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is CNN breaking news.
BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks so much for joining me today, I'm Boris Sanchez in for Fredricka Whitfield. We begin with breaking news.