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Top Democrats Silent Over Harvey Weinstein; Investigators Change Key Part of Las Vegas Shooting Timeline; North Korea's Kim Jong Un Promotes His Sister; Investigators Change Key Part of Las Vegas Shooting Timeline; White House Officials: Trump "Not Finished" With Corker; Corker: Trump Could Set U.S. on "Path to World War III". Aired on 7-8p ET
Aired October 9, 2017 - 19:00 ET
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[19:00:15] ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: OUTFRONT next breaking news, the Las Vegas Police revealing a major shift in the shooting timeline along with personal protection equipment on the gunman. Is it more evidence he was planning something even bigger? Plus, Trump is not finished with Senator Corker. That's the message from the White House official tonight.
And who is the first lady? Ivana Trump says she is and Melania Trump scratching back. Let's go to OUTFRONT.
And good evening, I'm Erin Burnett, OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news, a big shift in the timeline. Moments ago, policy revealing stunning new details about the Las Vegas massacre, for the first time, investigators say that security guard, Jesus Campos, was on the scene and shot by Paddock at 9:59 Sunday night. 9:59 Sunday night is six minutes, six full minutes before the shooter turned his guns on the innocent crowd.
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JOSEPH LOMBARDO, CLARK COUNTY SHERIFF: What we have learned is Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world.
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BURNETT: This is strikingly different from what investigators have been saying all along. And this new timeline raises a troubling question. What went on during those six minutes? This comes as investigators also reveal what they call "personal protection equipment" was found in the shooter's hotel suite. Perhaps, another indication, Paddock was planning to escape, which the sheriff made clear he believes was a real possibility.
Police are also confirming tonight that they have found no evidence of a second shooter and no evidence of a key event in the shooter's life that might have triggered this horrific attack. They also say they've reviewed more than 200 instances of the shooter's travels around Las Vegas times gambling. And they say, in those 200 times, they never once saw him in the company of another human being. The gunman's younger brother, Eric Paddock arrived in Vegas, Saturday. He has been questioned by the FBI over the last few days, still staying there. The sheriff saying other family members are now also being questioned. And today, full eight days after the shooting, Paddock's motive, the crucial question, the central question to all of these, continues to confound authorities.
Sara Sidner is in OUTFRONT on the Vegas strip. Sara, I know you were there in that news conference, and some obviously significant changes in the timeline tonight.
SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think you asked the most important question just now, Erin, what happened in the six minutes between the time that Jesus Campos was shot, the security guard there at the Mandalay Bay who went up as we now understand it from the sheriff, because there was an alarm going off from a door being opened, and the time at which the first shots rang out at the crowd, which was at 10:05 p.m. That's a good six minutes. What happened between that time? What was the communication from the security guard to the authorities? We do know that the timeline said at 10:17, so a full 18 minutes from the time that the security guard was shot, finally, the first two officers arrived on the scene there.
So there are a lot of questions as to what happened in six minutes. Six minutes can be a very long time. As you know, the shooter was only shooting from 9 to 11 minutes. So a lot of questions are going to be coming out of that. The sheriff is very careful in saying that, look, we know that during these big investigations, things do change. And that he warned everyone that there could be more changes. But certainly, that's a big one. It creates a lot of questions for not only investigators but for the public as well.
BURNETT: It certainly does. And for so many who were there that night, Sarah. Also I know that you are learning more about the shooter through his own words.
SIDNER: We absolutely are. We now know that he had a doctor that was on retainer that was giving him Valium, but we also know a little bit something about how he thought of himself and just how much he gambled.
SIDNER (voice-over): We are learning more about the man behind the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history. Authorities say he was gambling the night before he began his murderous rampage on innocent concert goers.
And now, court documents reveal how big of a gambler he was. In his own words, Steven Paddock described himself as the biggest video poker player in the world. Gambling up to a million dollars in a single night. Whether it was boasting or not, he gave up those details about himself while being questioned by an attorney during a 2013 deposition, that deposition taken after this slipping fault in Cosmopolitan Hotel, Las Vegas. That's Paddock and he sued the hotel over it. In a deposition, he's asked about his gambling habits. [19:05:00] "How many dollars are we talking?" Paddock replies, "I average 14 hours a day, 365 days a year. Over 200 million coin through." Paddock also revealing, he didn't drink and gamble, "At the stakes I play, you want to have all your wits about you," he said. And the stakes he played gave him huge perks, according to Vegas Insider Anthony Curtis.
ANTHONY CURTIS, VEGAS INSIDER: So he was absolutely in that higher echelon of the high roller. Whale? You know, you hear about the whales? No, not at all. He wasn't that high. He didn't play like that but he was high enough to get their attention big time and get the things he wanted.
SIDNER: Curtis says for high rollers like Paddock, eccentricities are expected. Authorities say Paddock brought up several bags to his room and didn't let anyone in to clean for three days straight.
(on camera): With someone spending the kind of money that a high- roller spends be scrutinized less than your average, Joe?
CURTIS: As a rule, I would say less scrutiny, because these people have their idiosyncracies and they have things they like to do, they want to bring their pets or whatever. And the casino would likely put up with a little bit more. I guess you would say they've got a longer leash than most.
SIDNET (voice-over): In this case, Paddock was amassing an arsenal into his room, turning it into a sniper's nest. In an interview with "60 Minutes", one of the officers who charged into the room, found another disturbing piece of evidence.
DAVID NEWTON, LAS VEGAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S K-9 UNIT: I did notice a note on the nightstand near his shooting platform. I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was going to be for the crowd. So he had written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there.
SIDNER: And authorities saying that they will be there in that area where the concert was for at least another week, still looking for details, also going, again, back through Steven Paddock's properties to try to see if they can uncover anything there. But they still, Erin, do not have the answer to the one question they say is so important to authorities. And that is why, why did he do this. Erin.
BURNETT: Right, Sarah, thank you very much.
In OUTFRONT now, Jim Clemente, Former FBI Profiler, Juliette Kayyem, Former Assistant Secretary for the Department of Homeland Security, and Art Roderick, Former U.S. Marshal.
Art, let me start with the breaking news here on the change in timeline. It's a really big change in timeline, right? We had been told that the security guard came in after the shooting, right after people were already being killed on the ground. We now understand that that's not true. He came up, responded to a door alarm and was shot a full six minutes before the gunman turned his guns on those outside. Those six minutes are crucial, right?
ART RODERICK, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, INVESTIGATIONS, U.S. MARSHALS: Absolutely. I mean this completely changes the time line because we had initially thought the security guard showing up at the door is what caused the shooter to stop firing into the crowd. Now, we know that's not the case.
What I also find interesting is the sheriff talked about the drilling that officer Campos had heard. Now, we put that together with the interview that we saw, the "60 Minutes" interview that was referenced earlier by the four officers. They were kind of the ad hoc SWAT team that made the entry. And they talked about him hotting a brace on that door, so that they could not get in and obviously he could not get out.
So I mean when you start putting all these together, this shows a broader picture of his planning, but also shows that his initial firing was definitely interrupted. He had to rush his plan forward.
BURNETT: It was certainly because he felt that someone had seen what was happening, Juliette.
JULLIETTE KAYYEM, FORMER ASSITANT SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY: Right.
BURNETT: But, you know, these six minutes, as I think Sara fairly put it, this is a question for the public as well, for everyone who was there at that scene, right? I mean six minutes, is that enough time for someone else to have come up and stormed that door, because they knew someone had just shot with a rifle out of it?
KAYYEM: Yes, I'm going to say this bluntly. Look, the fact that the story changed happens all the time. The three of us on your panel know this that the situational awareness changes, the memories change. Everything was so rushed that night.
So I forgive the change in narrative. But what now needs to be explained is, at Mandalay Bay, which we all know these hotels have the best security, videos, cameras, all sorts of assets to protect people, where was someone in those six minutes? I -- you know, someone got shot in a hallway, a security guard, and so that's the question I now have. I'm not saying -- look, we don't do blame at this stage, we learn from it, but that is a significant enough period of time to wonder, why -- you know, there's cameras in the hallways in these hotels. Any of you guys who've been to Las Vegas knows that. Where was -- what was happening at Mandalay bay? Last week, the sheriff was very complimentary of Mandalay Bay. I am curious of those compliments will continue in the days and weeks ahead.
[19:10:03] BURNETT: Jim, you know, this is coming as we're also learning that they've gone through the video, right? 200 instances they say and not a single time was he with another person. This is why they don't think that anyone else was, you know, explicitly helping him with knowledge, right, or maybe someone was helping unwittingly, right, but no accomplice. Does that do it for you? And what does it say to you, 200 times and not once was he with another person?
JIM CLEMENTE, FORMER FBI SUPERVISORY SPECIAL AGENT, BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS UNIT: Well, you have to understand, this guy chose as his weapon a sniper perch, and he killed people from above. Snipers typically have a god complex. And they want to kill from above, distance from their victims. They don't want a personal interaction with them. And because of that, I would expect him to be a loner. Somebody who can't get along with other people, somebody who feels privileged and arrogant and sort of separated from the crowd, and he distanced himself emotionally as well, because he just took them out as targets, not as people.
BURNETT: And when you hear what he had to say, you know, in that deposition that we obtained, Art, he described himself as saying he wagered up to a million dollars a night. Who knows if that's true or massive hide verbally? But he then said, he's "the biggest video poker player in the world. How do I know that? Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did."
RODERICK: Yes, this guy obviously had a super huge ego. And I think with the bureau doing the profile, the psychological profile, behavioral profile on this individual, it wouldn't surprise me if it came about, that if he wanted his motive known, we would have known about it right away. But he doesn't want his motive known. And I think this is his final thumbing his nose at law enforcement and basically making a game for us to try to figure out what exactly his motive is.
BURNETT: And Jim, you know, to this point on motive, they just don't know. And you could hear the frustration in the sheriff's voice. The anger, it almost seemed to me, frankly, that he was on the verge of tears at one point. That's just how I felt hearing his voice. When you talk about the planning that went into this and the fact that they still don't know the motive, here is more of what those officers who burst into the room had to say about the plot and what he had in there. Here they are.
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NEWTON: Yeah, he did his homework.
JOSHUA BITSKO, LAS VEGAS METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT: Days of planning. Days of planning. He had tool boxes in power tools to run wires for his surveillance systems. For everything that he had, it took him days to finish.
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BURNETT: As a profiler, Jim, does it shock you that this guy did all of this and didn't want anyone to know his motive? CLEMENTE: No, not at all. I think his brother described him as a gambler who used mathematics. So I think his -- the calculations he used to figure out where his shooting and where his bolts were dropped, I think all that tells me he's an intelligent person and he wanted to prove his intelligence. So I don't think that he wanted to tell people because he knew that would maybe interfere with him carrying out the plans. He wanted people to see how great he was. He wanted to maximize the kill. He set up surveillance outside the room so that he could shoot anybody who tried to stop him and then he started killing people in the crowd.
BURNETT: And Juliette, we also now know that the sheriff tonight confirmed that he was on some medications. We have CNN reported one of those was Valium, which can cause violence. However, even if you were to find some way that that would make sense, he had been playing this for a long time. You just heard what he have done in the room. That doesn't sound like something you would -- you know, caused by medication.
KAYYEM: No, and I think, you know, we're getting pieces of his biography, you know, piece of, you know, what medications he was on. None of them yet, you know, get to whatever may be a eureka moment. Speaking up on what Art said, there may not be one. I mean in other words, this may be where all of those pieces make sense to none of us sitting here and that's maybe what he wanted that here is a guy who's a loner, collecting weapons for over a year like this. And I think because the combination -- just going back to the conversations, I think the combination of, he comes out of nowhere, you know, no hint of this, this is not one of the cases where all the neighbors are saying, yeah, he was really violent and shooting things in the middle of the night, and the fact that he chose an area to shoot from, which is just in our society is going to be hard to closeout all those areas, that is why I think that the gun control debate is a little bit more vigorous now. I'm not going to pretend it's going to end with something. But it's a little more vigorous now than it even was after, say, Sandy Hook.
BURNETT: All right. Well, thank you all very much. And later on this hour, we're actually going to be talking to someone who was just below -- in one of the rooms just below where all of this happened. So with this massive change in the timeline, the breaking news this hour, we're going to talk to him about exactly what he heard and when, a crucial witness. That's coming up later this hour.
And next, the ugly public feud between the president and Senator Bob Corker, apparently just getting started. A White House source says Trump is not finished yet. And Harvey Weinstein has generated big money for Democrats. And some of the biggest targets are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
[19:15:03] So far tonight, though, they're both silent about the sexual harassment allegations against the movie mogul.
And Ivana Trump says she's the first lady and Melania is fighting back. So which one is?
BURNETT: Tonight, a nasty battle of words between President Trump and a top Republican Senator about to get nastier. Two White House officials, two of them telling us the President Trump isn't planning on ending his stunning fight with Senator Bob Corker. Meanwhile in a new interview, Corker is accusing the president of steering the nation "on the path to World War III".
It's a public battle and that began when one time Trump supporter, Senator Corker said this.
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BOB CORKER (R), TENNESSEE: I think secretary Tillerson, Secretary Mattis, and Chief of Staff Kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos, and I support them very much.
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BURNETT: The president responded with a tweet storm, in his signature style over the weekend saying, "Senator Bob Corker "begged" me to endorse him for re-election in Tennessee. I said "NO", and he dropped out (said he could not win without my endorsement). He wanted to be Secretary of State, I said "NO THANKS." He is also largely responsible for the horrendous Iran Deal! Hence, I would fully expect Corker to be a negative voice and stand in the way of our great agenda. Didn't have the guts to run!"
[19:19:58] Well, Senator Corker's Chief of Staff denied the senator ever asked the president for an endorsement. In fact, Corker says the president offered his endorsement but Corker decided not to seek re- election anyway. And then on top of all this, Corker responded to the president with a tweet, "It's a shame the White House has become an adult day care center. Someone obviously missed their shift this morning."
Sara Murray is OUTFRONT at the White House. And Sara, what is the response inside the White House to what appears to be from our reporting, an escalating fight?
SARA MURRAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think that's right, Erin, White House officials are saying, the president is not finished when it comes to this feud with Bob Corker. He does believe it's a worthwhile battle. Not everyone in this administration though and not everyone close to the president shares that belief. There are plenty who sort of believe that this is side show, believe that the president is potentially alienating a reliable ally, at least on foreign policy issues, at least on budget issues on Capitol Hill, and that this is just becoming yet another tactical.
But we know how this president is when he is criticized. And I'm told by sources that the president is particularly frustrated right now. He's frustrated the Congress isn't moving forward more quickly with his legislative agenda. He's frustrated that he's getting negative coverage about the crisis in Puerto Rico. And so with all of these things simmering in the background, to see someone like Senator Corker out there criticizing him so publicly, obviously, so unburdened by the fact that he doesn't have to face a reelection site, that's getting under the president's skin. Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Sarah Murray. Of course, it's a vote the president desperately needs, as Sara says. OUTFRONT now, Chris Cillizza, Editor-at-Large for CNN Politics, and David Gergen who served as adviser to four presidents.
Chris, you first, Senator Corker was rumored to be on Trump's short list for vice president. Corker himself had said he was on the mix for Secretary of State Job. How significant is this battle for the president?
CHRIS CILLIZZA, CNN POLITICS REPORTER AND EDITOR-AT-LARGE: Well, I think particularly significant, Erin, because of what Corker represents. Bob Corker is a retiring senator, so he will be gone before Donald Trump is gone, right? He will be gone at the end of next year. That said, Corker is someone who is very much a part of the establishment of the Republican Party. He was the Mayor of Chattanooga prior to running and winning a senate race over two conservative opponents in 2006. He is someone who is the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, well-regarded by sort of the Washington Class.
Donald Trump has feuded with this class before he said things about Mitch McConnell. He said things about lots and lots of senators. But the victory you'll hear and I would point to the responses from the likes of people like Rob Portman, the senator from Ohio, who's basically if you look up establishment in the dictionary, you see him that stuff matters, because to your point, this is a vote Trump needs. You can be as outsider as you want and you could rally the base. But this is the Senate that Donald Trump currently has. And that's not going to be changing until the 2018 election.
So if he wants to get anything done between now and then, he has got to deal with the Corkers, the Portmans, the McConnells, yes, the Jeff Flake and John McCain's of the world. What he's doing right now makes open warfare with them much more likely and then he sort of deal much less likely.
BURNETT: And of course, when you have a two vote pad, you can't afford to have a World War going on with one of them and not get that both. I mean he went lastly at the "New York Times" asked Corker directly whether he thought Trump was fit to the presidency. Now, Corker sort of dodged it. Here's what he did say, though. He said, "I don't think he appreciates when the president of the United States speaks and says the things that he does, the impact it has around the world, especially in the region that he's addressing. And so, yeah, it's concerning to me."
Corker, though, has been even more direct-ish about this issue of whether the president of United States is fit for office. Right after Charlottesville, he said this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CORKER: The president has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful.
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BURNETT: David, when you see tweet storms like the ones we're seeing from the president now in response to Corker, is the president fit for office?
DAVID GERGEN, FORMER PRESIDENT ADVISER: I think he's making a dumb mistake, engaging in a continuing fight with Senator Corker. Senator Corker has far more friends in Congress than he does. Senator Corker has come as far more respect. He's faster on his feet and funnier. And this is the fight the president is very unlikely to win and it's coming. And what's so odd about this, in fact it's nuts, is the president has decided to continue this fight just on the eve of one of the most important periods in his presidency, make-or-break time.
When there are issue after issue has to be resolved, then he has to begin showing the public and his base that he can govern, that he can get things done. But think about that, you know, North Korea is a major looming issue that has to be resolved now. Iran is a major looming issue.
[19:25:00] Tax cuts are a major looming issue. Senator Corker is going to be pivotal to every one of those fights. The White House needs him more than Corker needs them. And by now, it has been well and widely reported that what Senator Corker is saying in public is said frequently by republicans in private. Not all. The president still has good friends, has some out there. But the number is dwindling.
BURNETT: Yes. Mark Meadows defended him today.
GERGEN: And that makes a difference.
GERGEN: Yes. The number is dwindling.
BURNETT: And Chris, you know, the thing is, that was Corker has said positive things about the president, right, he had supported him. He was one of the people that gave him sort of standing credibility at a point when he didn't have a lot of it. Here's Senator Corker actually just a couple weeks ago.
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CORKER: Our relationship that's very, very strong. For people to try to act as if there is daylight between us as a result is just not true.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BURNETT: Corker not exactly consistent either, though, Chris. I mean who wins?
CILLIZZA: No. But remember, he's a republican senator trying to get along with the republican president, which I think most republican senators would do. I just think this is a no-win fight for Donald Trump. All you do is alienate all those votes you need. You can lose two votes. You can't alienate a dozen members of the Republican Senate Conference and hope to get anything in your agenda done. I just think he's cutting off his nose to spite his face.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you both.
GERGEN: Thank you.
BURNETT: And next, Hollywood mogul, big time democratic donor, Harvey Weinstein fired in the wake of sex harassment allegations. So why are democrats, who have gotten a lot of cash from him and complimented him so publicly, people like Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, staying quiet?
And the man on the 31st floor, I'm going to speak to the guest who was in the room, exactly one floor below the shooter when the Las Vegas attack happened. With this major shift in the timeline tonight, he is going to tell us what he witnessed.
[19:30:19] BURNETT: Hillary Clinton speaking tonight. Will she break her silence on Harvey Weinstein, a man who donated tens of thousands of dollars to her presidential run?
This comes as more Hollywood voices are starting to speak out tonight. Meryl Streep today calling Weinstein's alleged harassment of women disgraceful. Judi Dench saying it's horrifying. Yet Clinton and other Democrats who have benefitted financially from Weinstein are silent tonight.
Athena Jones is OUTFRONT.
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This time last year, Hillary Clinton was bashing then fellow candidate Donald Trump over his treatment of women, after the release of an "Access Hollywood" tape in which he was caught on a hot mike talking about grabbing women's genitals.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump thinks belittling makes him bigger. He goes after their dignity, their self-worth.
Now, in the wake of the bombshell "New York Times" report about decades of sexual harassment allegations against Harvey Weinstein, a Hollywood heavyweight and major Democratic donor, there's been no such backlash from Clinton or from President Obama, who also benefited from the movie mogul's financial support over the years.
That silence from leading Democrats hasn't gone unnoticed, with Republicans like National Committee Chairman Ronna Romney McDaniel calling out what they view as hypocrisy.
RONNA ROMNEY MCDANIEL, RNC CHAIRWOMAN: Where's Hillary Clinton, where is she standing on this issue? She's been silent. Her silence is deafening.
JONES: And Donald Trump Jr. tweeting: Weird, Hillary Clinton has been really quiet about Harvey Weinstein. You would think she would be all over this. #whathappened.
Weinstein hasn't just been a long time supporter of the Clintons. According to Federal Election Commission filings, the now former studio exec donated more than $650,000 to Democrats since the late '90s, including a long list of candidates from Obama to Elizabeth Warren, and to various Democratic organizations. His activism, his deep pockets and his success on the big screen, the kind of track record that earned him praise.
MICHELLE OBAMA, FORMER FIRST LADY: He is a wonderful human being, a good friend and just a powerhouse.
JONES: A few of his old beneficiaries are turning on the movie mogul.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: I think what he did is awful, awful, awful.
JONES: The Democratic National Committee which called the allegations deeply troubling plans to donate some $30,000, a small portion of the money Weinstein contributed over the years, to several groups, including Emily's List, an organization that works to get pro-choice Democratic women elected to public office, all part of efforts to distance themselves from a now disgraced former patron.
JONES: And several Democratic senators who received contributions from Weinstein have now donated that money to charities, in many cases, giving the groups that are aimed at helping women in particular.
Earlier today, speaking on CNN, Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal encouraged his colleagues to use the money they got from Weinstein to support causes like combating sexual harassment, sexual assault and domestic violence. He donated the money he received from Weinstein to the Connecticut Alliance to End Sexual Violence -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Athena, thank you.
And OUTFRONT now, Maria Cardona, Democratic strategist, CNN political commentator, and Margaret Hoover, former George W. Bush White House staff and CNN political commentator.
Thanks to both. Maria, Hillary Clinton has a book signing event tonight in Davis, California. Let's hope she addresses the controversy, at least I do. The story broke five days ago. She got, what, $100,000 from him.
So, why haven't we heard from her, or the Obamas? You just heard Michelle refer to Harvey Weinstein as a wonderful human being and a good friend.
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I think a couple of things here, Erin. I agree with you. I hope she does say something. And I would imagine at the moment that a microphone is put before her and the question is asked. She will absolutely disavow what Harvey Weinstein did. It was disgusting, unacceptable, and I haven't seen any Democrat come out to defend him, I don't think they will.
But Hillary Clinton is not in public office anymore. You know, it's so interesting when she does come out to talk about something, people can't wait to say, oh, Hillary Clinton just go away, why don't you just shut up, and then when she doesn't say anything, people are clamoring, why isn't Hillary Clinton talking?
I think Hillary Clinton has earned the right to talk about what she damn pleases when she damn pleases. She doesn't owe anybody anything.
President Obama the same thing, I am sure if he's asked about it in a public forum, he will talk about it as well.
But I am just appalled. You know, the RNC chairwoman talked about hypocrisy, let's talk about hypocrisy, right? Democrats did not elect a sexual predator to be in the White House. When Republicans give back the millions and millions of dollars that the sexual predator in chief that is now in the White House has helped them raise, then we can have this conversation.
BURNETT: Just because you're saying, he did it so I can do it too.
[19:35:03] I mean, it sort of sounds a little bit like that. I mean, Margaret --
MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I understand where Maria's coming from. She's saying, look, Republicans are, you know, starting this food fight about Republicans or Democrats. But what I think that argument misses, is that this is a man who is a leading funder in the Democratic Party, and Michelle Obama said he was a good man. And she's also the same person who said, listening to Donald Trump makes her physically ill during the campaign.
So, it does -- it does -- now that Judi Dench has come out, Meryl Streep has come out opinion, it would help, and I think it frankly -- it stands in stark contrast that they haven't spoken out, sort of the leading woman in American politics on the Democratic side, who accepted money from this man who has been now described as a predator and has paid -- you know, settled eight times in the last 30 years.
It just -- it's deafening that she hasn't said anything yet, and she should. And so should the Obamas whose daughter interned for this predator.
BURNETT: I mean --
HOOVER: I mean, they take as serious a responsibility as parents of daughters and the message we send our young women. So, it makes sense for us to hear something from them.
BURNETT: I mean, Maria, isn't there something to be said for that? I mean, you know, they all went on and on about women and women's causes --
BURNETT: -- when it's something of a person that hits them directly, or even their own daughter, I mean, you're saying -- when a microphone comes up to them, but that's not leadership.
CARDONA: But here's the thing -- when they went on and on about all of these issues affecting women, and again, the man who is in the White House attacking women and bragging about attacking women, they were -- one was the president of the United States, and the other was the 2016 Democratic candidate running for president of the United States.
They had public --
BURNETT: What, Maria, what are you saying, it's not OK for Trump, but it is OK for Harvey Weinstein?
CARDONA: No, I'm not -- absolutely not, I'm not saying that at all. No Democrat who is in office who holds office, who's running for office, has said that what Harvey Weinstein did was OK, nobody. And the people who have accepted money from him who are in office or any of the committees, they are giving that money back.
But here's another point that I would like to make, OK? Hillary Clinton and President Obama have had a history of working and passing policies that help empower women. Republicans have not. And, in fact, Trump again in the White House --
BURNETT: There are moments where words matter.
I just want to play here, Margaret, for you, President Trump weighing in on this. You would think he would avoid it, absolutely not, he's fully embraced it.
Here he is.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I've known Harvey Weinstein for a long time. I'm not at all surprised to see it. REPORTER: Were Harvey Weinstein's actions inappropriate?
TRUMP: Well, he says they were inappropriate.
REPORTER: A year ago, a video that came out that had you --
TRUMP: That's locker room. That's locker room. Yes.
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HOOVER: I mean, look, I -- I don't even want to comment on that, what we saw when Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly were called out for their miserable -- also predatory behavior was silence from the conservative side. I mean, I wrote an article saying, where are conservatives saying that this behavior is unconservative?
And so, it's refreshing to have liberals say, wow, this is really unacceptable, which, by the way, Maria, makes it even worse that Hillary Clinton hasn't said something yet. But I agree with you, and it's also -- it does a disservice to the entire issue for us to politicize this too much because this is happening in Republican and Democrat, and nonpartisan circles across the country.
So, this sort of the political food fight almost doesn't matter, everyone needs to weigh-in against this -- women, men, Republican, Democrats.
CARDONA: I agree completely.
BURNETT: And, of course, let's go out on a limb here, I expect she'll say something tonight. But it's hard to --
BURNETT: I've got to leave it -- we've got to leave it there, but we'll see what happens. It's going to happen in the next hour or so.
And next, breaking news about the Las Vegas gunman's timeline. I'm going to talk to a man who came face to face with police, officers were bursting through the shooter's hotel room door. This is the witness who was on the floor right below with this crucial change in timeline tonight. He is our guest OUTFRONT.
And an update then on the story we brought you about the concertgoer who doctors are calling a miracle man. And we have some good news tonight.
Plus, Kim Jong-un giving a mysterious family member a big promotion, as President Trump continues to threaten North Korea. Who is the new power play in the regime tonight.
[19:43:21] BURNETT: Breaking news, a massive change in the Las Vegas shooting timeline. The sheriff of the Las Vegas Police Department revealing the gunman opened fire on a hotel security guard six minutes before he unleashed his deadliest assault on the country music concert. So, let's just be clear here. Six minutes before that started, he shot the security guard.
Now, officials originally said the attack against the security guard took place after the shooter shot at concertgoers. But now, all of a sudden, six minutes before, means there was six minutes that we just don't know. Could this have been stopped?
Tonight, we're hearing from a man who was just feet away from the attack. Floyd Conrade was staying one floor below where the gunman was opening fire on innocent civilians, literally, just one floor below.
And, Floyd, thank you for coming on to talk to us.
Obviously, I want to ask you now with this shift in the timeline, Floyd, I believe you were in your room at 9:59, which is when we learned the security guard approached the shooter's door and was shot, six minutes before the shooter started shooting at the crowd, did you hear that first shot?
FLOYD CONRADE, STAYED IN LAS VEGAS HOTEL ROOM DIRECTLY BELOW SHOOTER: No, I actually didn't. I had just picked up on the timeline change earlier this evening myself. I was kind of thinking back, reflecting on that. I do not -- I don't recall hearing a single shot before the first set of gunfire went off.
BURNETT: So, there was that shot at 9:59. Did you then hear, Floyd, any commotion in the hallways in that sort of six minutes? I mean, do you remember anything like that that would have indicated help was coming? Because I know they were coming in on the several floors around the shooter.
[19:45:02] Did you hear any of that?
CONRADE: Right. No, and I really didn't even really hear them coming up the hallway until I actually tried to go out of my room and encountered the police officers.
BURNETT: Now, Floyd.
CONRADE: Which would have been a few minutes into the actual shooting.
BURNETT: The shooting itself, which we know now started at 10:05, you're still in your room. Those first shots are fired.
BURNETT: When, Floyd, did you realize these were gunshots and that they were essentially coming from exactly where you were?
CONRADE: It was not until probably the second to third volley of shots. You know, the first shots went off, most like everybody else, I just thought it was fireworks at the concert. Looked out at the windows, didn't see anything, heard shot -- heard the sound again. This time, it was echoing more in my windows. So, I thought, well,
maybe it's something on top of the hotel. Still couldn't see anything, I was -- that's when I -- shortly after, that's when I went to leave my room, and encountered the police officers in the hallway.
BURNETT: Now, when those officers approached the gunman's room, obviously. They told you to go back in your room after the shooting, about 75 minutes passed. Then they used an explosive to breach the door of the shooter, to get in there. You felt that?
I felt the second breach. The first breach was on the end apartment that was beside mine, the second breach was directly over me. It actually kind of rattled my apartment a little bit. It rattled my room a little bit.
BURNETT: Such a powerful explosion.
Well, thank you very much. I appreciate your taking the time, Floyd, to talk to us. We appreciate it.
CONRADE: No problem. Thank you.
BURNETT: And now, an update on a story we brought you last week from Las Vegas.
Robert Aguilar was gravely wounded in the attack. He was shot near the spine. Doctors feared he would never walk again.
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ROBERT AGUILAR, SHOOTING SURVIVOR: A lot of pain, definitely the waist down, getting back to my basic moments again, of walking.
BURNETT: Well, the doctor said you are a miracle. That's literally the words he used, right?
AGUILAR: Yes, that's what he told me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Robert's family rushed to his bedside. They, of course, were so grateful that their son, those were his parents and his daughter, and her father, would recover, and then in a surprise -- another visitor came to see Robert, that's Jason Aldean. The singer Robert had been to at the concert, came and visited him in the hospital.
And Robert is a huge fan. His mom says Robert was speechless for a moment, not actually believing that he met the country music star. She says Aldean was so caring and that his presence made Robert's day, leaving her son smiling long afterward.
Now, the big good news tonight. Robert was discharged today, and he is on his way home at this hour. And next, as Donald Trump makes threats against North Korea, Kim Jong
un makes a move of his own. He's promoting a secret sister to his inner circle. What does this mean?
And Melania versus Ivana. You can't make this up. The two Mrs. Trumps at odds over which one is first lady, and they are literally fighting about this publicly, guys. Jeanne Moos referees.
BURNETT: Tonight, Defense Secretary James Mattis telling the U.S. army to, quote, stand ready on North Korea.
This coming after President Trump tweeted: Presidents and their administrations have been talking to North Korea for 25 years. Agreements made and massive amounts of money paid hasn't worked. Agreements violated before the ink was dry, making fools of U.S. negotiators. Sorry, but only one thing will work.
That, of course, is the operative line.
In the meantime, Kim Jong-un making moves in his inner circle tonight. Will Ripley is OUTFRONT.
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The stakes have never been higher for North Korea leader Kim Jong-un.
TRUMP: Best not make anymore threats to the United States --
RIPLEY: An escalating conflict with U.S. President Donald Trump. An accelerating nuclear program, defiant and threatening the world. At this critical time, only a handful of elite North Koreans are believed to have the ear of their supreme leader. His younger sister, Kim Yo- jong is one of them.
PARK HAKSOON, DIRECTOR FOR THE SEJONG INSTITUTE, CENTER FOR NORTH KOREAN STUDIES: Kim Yo-jong is the only sister by the same mother. So, you know, she's closest in a blood relationship.
RIPLEY: Since their father's funeral in 2011, Kim Yo-jong has been a regular presence by her brother's side, with a growing list of official responsibilities.
HAKSOON: She has become unparalled in political figure in terms of influencing Kim Jong-un's decision.
RIPLEY: Over the week, state media announced a big promotion for Kim Yo-jong, alternate member of the politburo, North Korea's highest decision making committee, a role once held by Kim's aunt, Kim Kyong- hui, who disappeared from public view after the 2013 execution of her husband.
DUYEON KIM, SENIOR FELLOW, KOREAN PENINSULA FUTURE FORUM: Kim Jong- un's aunt assumes a senior level position within the political bureau when she was in her mid-60s. But Kim Jong-un's younger sister is perhaps at most, 30. And so, it clearly shows she's on the fast track.
RIPLEY: Also on the fast track, analysts say, Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho, a North Korean diplomat who ridiculed President Trump, calling him "president evil" in a fiery speech to the U.N., even threatening to test a powerful nuclear weapon over the Pacific.
All of it experts say further consolidates Kim's power, as he and his inner circle try to navigate North Korea through an intensifying nuclear stand off with no end in sight.
BURNETT: And, Will, you know, we rarely hear about the women in Kim Jong-un's family. We saw these pictures of his wife earlier in September, but really she's rarely seen in public. How powerful do you think his sister really is?
RIPLEY: It's interesting because you do see Kim Jong-un's sister alongside him in public much more, Erin. I saw her back in April at a ribbon cutting. I saw her last year sitting in the Workers Party Congress, that big political gathering of North Korea. And she's right in the front row. She's an increasing powerful figure inside the government. In fact, there are rumors back in 2014, a North Korean defector that she actually briefly took control of running the country when Kim Jong-un was reportedly very ill. Of course, that was never confirmed by Pyongyang. They would never admit that their leader ever feel ill.
But even though technically she's not a voting member of this politburo, many people believe, in fact, analysts I've been talking to say she could be the number two most powerful figure in North Korea right now being a member of the Kim family.
[19:55:08] By the way, Kim Jong-un's wife earlier this year, Erin, gave birth to their third child.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much. And, obviously, that's significant as well when you think about where this goes in the future.
Next the former Mrs. Trump calling herself the first lady. And the current Mrs. Trump unable to hold back from fighting back.
BURNETT: Here's Jeanne Moos.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First wife versus first lady -- infighting among the harem, read one comment.
It started with Ivana promoting her new book, "Raising Trump". The book "SNL" predicted back when the couple split. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, Donald. But you just wait until I write my
MOOS: Well, now, it's written and the book tour has begun. Ivan describes how she talks to her ex, the president once every two weeks.
IVANA TRUMP, AUTHOR, "RAISING TRUMP": I have the direct number to White House, but I don't really want to call him there because Melania's there and I don't want to cause any kind of jealousy or something like that because I'm basically first Trump wife, OK? I'm first lady, OK?
MOOS: And with that little joke about Ivana being first lady, the actually first lady erupted, through her spokesperson.
Melania plans to use her title and role to help children, not sell books. There's clearly no substance to this statement from an ex, this is unfortunately only attention-seeking and self-serving noise.
Melania certainly seemed to be reacting.
Read one tweet, elect a reality TV star and get the real housewives of Trumpland.
When Ivana and the future president separated more than 25 years ago, it was a juicy story.
He and Ivana had a pre-nuptial agreement.
And though Ivana now says --
(SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
MOOS: Once it was over they made a commercial together.
D. TRUMP: It's wrong, isn't it?
I. TRUMP: But it feels so right.
D. TRUMP: Then it's a deal?
I. TRUMP: Yes.
We eat our pizzas the wrong way.
D. TRUMP: Crust first.
MOOS: If only the two wives could share a pizza and exchange notes on a man to whom they both said, I do.
I. TRUMP: If you're good to him, he's incredible to you. If you're bad at him, you're dead.
MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
I. TRUMP: Can I have the last slice? D. TRUMP: Actually, you're only entitled to half.
MOOS: New York.
BURNETT: Thanks for joining us. Anderson's next.